I have been instructing Combat for about a year, and finally got my hands on some of the older mp3s and choreography notes from another instructor.  However, SOME of the tracks have ridiculous, unnecessary bell sounds to remind us when the choreography changes (actually quite distracting).  Why do some releases (like ALL of my copy of Combat 26) have the bell sounds, while others don't (my copy of 25, for example)?  I also just had an instructor send me track 8 from 34 and it has the stupid bell sounds.  I'm looking for a clean (no bells!) version of Believe in Me and Save Your Life, but haven't had any luck.  Do they exist?  What's up with bells in Combat?

That's how it was ... youngster ... back in the day.

Also easy for participants to know when changes occurred - without having to watch / listen to instructor.

I think it's a Gaby / Nathan thing - BTS Kick has all the bells and whistles, I think they maybe chorey for BTS now.

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I have alot of the older releases and I just did release 26.....there are no whistles on mine.  I am here in the US.....do we get other ones here in the states?  I have  from release 15 upwards and have never heard any such noise.  hmmmm.....strange...

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Colleen Elizabeth Foster (addicted to Combat and my Family!!)

Hi guys,

Those effects were included in worldwide releases till BC #15 or 16 (I think). After that, such effects have been prohibited due to changed copyright rules. However, in Latin America, the sound effects still seem to appear. This would explain why you may have both versions.

Same over here in Oz.. we had the sound effects up untill BC#15 when the copywrite issue meant they had to stop.  They were novel at the time but I couldnt think of having them in there now! (esp in the newer stuff when the music alone is so good!!!)

The sound effects appeared up to and including release 15 - the bells were to remind you of a change of corry and the sound effects were added to make you feel the kick or punch.

Early releases kept the sound effects to the odd kick - whereas by release 15 they were on almost every strike and were becoming quite intrusive. As has already been said the copyright rules changed and stopped this from release 16 onwards.

In South America they take the sound effect free songs and edit some of their own back in - these are very intrusive IMHO and don't really work.

If you have copies of the South American versions then presumeably you got these from dubious sources and you could equally dubiously find the versions without effects - but I wouldn't be posting how you managed to find such things on a Les Mills forum!!

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lane_09:

That's how it was ... youngster ... back in the day.

Also easy for participants to know when changes occurred - without having to watch / listen to instructor.

I think it's a Gaby / Nathan thing - BTS Kick has all the bells and whistles, I think they maybe chorey for BTS now.

e

BC40 track 5, i think the jump jab sound effects were a reference back to those days

This is really frustrating.  I am a certified instructor who just wants to give my participants the best class possible.  That's it.  So that means keeping the music fresh.  As a new instructor, I only have a few releases to draw from, other than the ones other instructors have provided me.  And, apparently, some of those tracks are unofficial.  If I could pay for these tracks/releases, I would, but many are unavailable.  What exactly is permitted by Les Mills?  Is another certified instructor allowed to share tracks and choreography with me?  Can he/she make copies of mp3s and notes, or must he/she "give" the originals to me?  Again, I just want to create an awesome fitness experience, and would love to teach some of the "classic" Combat tracks.  I certainly won't be using the music with bells in it (because they are apparently not legit and they are also annoying).  Any input would be appreciated.

I started combat with only one release.  It wasn't at the gym before i took on the program.  I purchased one older release from LMI, and i still think they have copies of releases in the 20's.  Contact for LM agent and see what they have available.

lane_09:

That's how it was ... youngster ... back in the day.

Also easy for participants to know when changes occurred - without having to watch / listen to instructor.

I think it's a Gaby / Nathan thing - BTS Kick has all the bells and whistles, I think they maybe chorey for BTS now.

e

I trully miss those releases I loved the bell sounds. Loved Nat and Gabby's Bodycombat love Bodycombat 10 :)

jdownesbaird:

 I certainly won't be using the music with bells in it (because they are apparently not legit and they are also annoying).  Any input would be appreciated.

Why would you say releases 1-15 are not legit - the only reason you might not want to use them is that they are very slow compared to the more recent stuff? The bells and sound effects were part of Body Combat up to release 15 - and that is a fact.

I have all the releases from 6 through to the present day and they are official versions not copies. I recently taught 15 in it's entirety and it went down a storm.

 

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roger-grandnat:

jdownesbaird:

 I certainly won't be using the music with bells in it (because they are apparently not legit and they are also annoying).  Any input would be appreciated.

Why would you say releases 1-15 are not legit - the only reason you might not want to use them is that they are very slow compared to the more recent stuff? The bells and sound effects were part of Body Combat up to release 15 - and that is a fact.

I have all the releases from 6 through to the present day and they are official versions not copies. I recently taught 15 in it's entirety and it went down a storm.

 

 

No, I have BodyCombat 26 WITH bell sounds, which someone earlier in this thread said were added without Les Mills' permission in some South American countries.  They were given to me by another instructor, and apparently are not legit.  I also had an instructor give me Believe In Me from 34, which also had bell sounds (which I know had long been abandoned),  I won't teach these tracks because they were apparently aquired from "dubious" sources.  I am just frustrated that there isn't a way to legitimately get/pay for some of these tracks, and am unsure of the legality of sharing amongst instructors.

jdownesbaird:

roger-grandnat:

jdownesbaird:

 I certainly won't be using the music with bells in it (because they are apparently not legit and they are also annoying).  Any input would be appreciated.

Why would you say releases 1-15 are not legit - the only reason you might not want to use them is that they are very slow compared to the more recent stuff? The bells and sound effects were part of Body Combat up to release 15 - and that is a fact.

I have all the releases from 6 through to the present day and they are official versions not copies. I recently taught 15 in it's entirety and it went down a storm.

 

 

No, I have BodyCombat 26 WITH bell sounds, which someone earlier in this thread said were added without Les Mills' permission in some South American countries.  They were given to me by another instructor, and apparently are not legit.  I also had an instructor give me Believe In Me from 34, which also had bell sounds (which I know had long been abandoned),  I won't teach these tracks because they were apparently aquired from "dubious" sources.  I am just frustrated that there isn't a way to legitimately get/pay for some of these tracks, and am unsure of the legality of sharing amongst instructors.

The Copyright laws in some South American countries is different and those countries have put the sound effects back because they are popular. As far as I know this has not been done against LMs wishes - it is what you get if you are an instructor in South America - so they are legit for those countries.

When you pass a module you sign an agreement with LM not to copy materials and give them to other instuctors. So whilst there are different rules about whether it is legal to copy music in different countries - if you copy music or corry for another instructor you are breaking your agreement with LM.

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So an instructor would have to physically give/sell me the notes and original CD?  Is that allowed?

jdownesbaird:

So an instructor would have to physically give/sell me the notes and original CD?  Is that allowed?

Give not sell.

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