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pipera:

... you can do legs off the ground ... it is in the Instructors Manual for Bodypump

From how long ago? You didn't certify back in 2002 and the manual has likely changed by now.

I have never heard a current instructor cue legs up as an option In fact, the complete opposite. Especially so for new participants.

In any case, regardless of what your old manual says, the current BP notes (from 71) clearly state:

"Feet flat on the floor".

So please don't complicate things.

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Well,

 

The earlier manual does state it as an option...more recent one I'd have to hunt down.

 

However, all the cues from the 60s on have been "heels hip distance apart..and/or plant your heels"...

Moving with the times...just as it was said earlier, Squats used to be narrow stance and knees forward.

These aren't just changes for changes sake after all...and the vast majority of people would destabilise their upper body with feet lifted.

Any post that begins with.."listen here.." sounds bossy and pedantic.

Jus for curiosity, why they shift from legs up to plant your heels 'only' in the 60s?

A notice  of error from their part?

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fitgirl1:

The earlier manual does state it as an option...more recent one I'd have to hunt down.

..and the vast majority of people would destabilise their upper body with feet lifted.

P36  of the current training manual states the following technique points to execute a chest press:

- Feet are flat on the floor with the knees higher than the hips to maintain a neutral spine

- Spinal stabilizers remain engaged to prevent hyperextension during the press movement

Enough said!

You say:

Feet are flat on the floor with the knees higher than the hips to maintain a neutral spine

I say:

With your feet lifted off the ground you can still maintain neutral spine, there is no evidence that this is not correct.

From Les Mills International - latest technique update - Chest Track from The Zest Site

The spine should be in neutral when lying on the step bench. To measure this, slide the fingers under the curve of the lower back at the level of the belly button. Your fingers should fit snugly under the back up to the level of the knuckles. An excessive curve where the hand can slide right under the back will destabilise the lumbar spine during the press action. Once a neutral spine is achieved, the lower abdomen is drawn in to activate the inner unit, which will support the spine.

If you find your back is excessively arched it may be easier to place your feet on the edge of the bench, which will help to reduce the lordosis.

By Bryce from Les Mills International.

That is another option offered!

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If the manual states the technique of feet fat on floor, I think I will follow it religiously..

 I will test the 2 methods tonight...

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pipera:

By Bryce from Les Mills International.

Don't misrepresent someone else to justify your flawed argument.

I'm sure it's no coincidence that you omitted the following sentence from his piece:

Bryce Hastings:

The feet should be positioned flat on the floor approximately shoulder width apart.

For everyone's reference, that page can be found here.

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Rick,

 I'm curious to read that.

Thanks for the link

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pipera:

Likewise on page 25 of the Instructors Manual for Bodypump fig 3.8c there is an option for legs off the ground. The spine in this position is also neutral for triceps extensions and presses.

 

what year was this manual from? I would imagine since you claim to be a pump instructor you are well aware of changes are are made through the years.... once upon a time hovers were done in RPM, now they are not.

No one said it was never taught, no one ever said its a BAD thing to do under any circumstance, what I said was the trainers are saying not to teach it in class. Not to mention it as an option. Pump is for "everyone" so we teach to the simplest common denominator.

if you were a current LM instructor, why do you always argue what LM is CURRENTLY teaching?

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Ah now Bradley, therein lies the point.

And I thank RPM Freak for her updated version..as I said in my earlier post, we move with the times, and I,in my classes ensure feet are down,heels gounded(add in all the other cues)..

It's always about upskilling and meeting the requirements. If Rod tried to raise his legs in one of my classes, he may well find a nail gun heading his way.

And yes, (before Rod shouts me down ),I'm a qualified Gym Floor chick and PT..this is BP, and the changes make sense, perfect sense.

Surely enough has been said on this thread to defend the position?..maybe not, Rod will come back again...

fitgirl1:

If Rod tried to raise his legs in one of my classes, he may well find a nail gun heading his way.

Just edited that a bit for ya

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misfit:

fitgirl1:

If Rod tried to raise his legs in one of my classes, he may well find a nail gun heading his way.

Just edited that a bit for ya

 

 

now that there is funny!

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I'm so sorry that this thread turns into a 'mess'...

But the guidelines & the link are very clear to me now.

Thanks.

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tiger75:

Jus for curiosity, why they shift from legs up to plant your heels 'only' in the 60s?

A notice  of error from their part?

 

I am not sure of the definite answer to your question, but Glen took over as PD around rel 59 or 60.  That could be the reason for the change.

BTW, how has your back been feeling lately?  Have any of the suggestions helped?

Jamie

Regarding comments from certain individuals, RPM instructors have been informed to incorporate current moves into the older tracks.

I would assume that the same would be suggested for Pump instructors.

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