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Jam is being replaced by Zumba!!

Last post 10-29-2009, 2:02 PM by Linzer33. 69 replies.
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  •  09-27-2009, 1:55 PM 67328 in reply to 67324

    Re: Jam is being replaced by Zumba!!

    I did take notice 2 that as well.  :) 
  •  09-27-2009, 9:06 PM 67354 in reply to 67328

    Re: Jam is being replaced by Zumba!!

    I am a certified Jam,Vive, and Flow instructor who just became Zumba certified. In the last month, I have pulled a class together to teach and am loving it!!!! I am using choreography provided by the company as well as the music. What is unique about the Zumba thing is that you have 2 separate "suggestions" of choreo you may choose from..meaning same song but 2 different routines..It offers flexibility for an instructor to use a all or part of the suggested choreo as well as one's own ideas..that way if you have a class that is struggling....you can have the freedom to adapt "on the spot" to one's class. The other beautiful thing is that it is non-stacked choreo..meaning each song is its own routine and when the song is over...that idea is over..much like a bodypump or attack or any other program that is not Jam. I have found it much easier to prepare for a Zumba class than I do a Jam class..in fact I would estimate that I prepared myself for Zumba in 1/2 the time it takes me to learn Jam and be ready to teach it well. So  1/2 the time to learn and twice as many people show up..for me it's a no brainer..I have declined to obtain any additional Jam music..and asked to be taken off of Jam at my club and teach Zumba instead.The biggest complaint I hear over and over from people is that Jam is too hard...and that is with the basic choreo only...people feel successful with Zumba and come back again and again...people leave Jam feeling very frustrated. The numbers don't lie..at our club, 10-20 people for a Jam class verses 15-35 people in Zumba...Don't get me wrong I personally love Jam as a workout for myself but the work one has to put into the program to teach it too time consuming for such a little payback..I wish that the leaders of Jam would take a little hint from the Zumba people and allow more flexibilty in what is taught so instructors can adapt it based on the ability levels of the participants. I think it would be possible for the standard of Les Mills to be upheld and incorporate more flexibility in the choreo. I will agree however, that the experience one has in a Zumba class is only as good as the instructor...One can get a very different workout from one instructor to another..I would consider this an area of opportunity for the Zumba to work on to ensure cohesion in the program worldwide. Cohesion is a definite strength of Les Mills...one can be guaranteed a great workout no matter where one would travel to take a Les Mills Class.Smile

    Giesala M. Collins
  •  09-29-2009, 11:33 PM 67458 in reply to 67354

    Re: Jam is being replaced by Zumba!!

    great post, Giesala. You have nailed why gyms are picking up Zumba and why so many Jam instructors in my area have ditched Jam for Zumba.

    But I will say that the last part of your post is also true, about the cohesion and consistency of a Jam class.  when it works, it really works as evidenced by the instructors who boast packed classes. Alas, not in my area. Zumba is kicking Jam's ass. But I really don't think LMI should change Jam radically to compete with Zumba... some classes just "fit' the needs of certain gyms and their members better.

    For right now, I'm going to stay on autoship so I don't lose my expensive certification. At the very least I get a great new workout every quarter and I will be inspired. And maybe.. I'll get my class back. 


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  •  09-30-2009, 4:22 AM 67472 in reply to 67458

    Re: Jam is being replaced by Zumba!!

    I agree great post, Giesala I have to go off and do the training there is one coming here in October I need to put in my registration as soon as possible.
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  •  09-30-2009, 12:19 PM 67528 in reply to 67458

    Re: Jam is being replaced by Zumba!!

    shimarella:

    But I will say that the last part of your post is also true, about the cohesion and consistency of a Jam class.  when it works, it really works as evidenced by the instructors who boast packed classes. Alas, not in my area. Zumba is kicking Jam's ass. But I really don't think LMI should change Jam radically to compete with Zumba... some classes just "fit' the needs of certain gyms and their members better.

    Agreed.


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  •  09-30-2009, 12:37 PM 67531 in reply to 67354

    Re: Jam is being replaced by Zumba!!

    GIESALA:
    ....you can have the freedom to adapt "on the spot" to one's class.

    The other beautiful thing is that it is non-stacked choreo..meaning each song is its own routine and when the song is over...that idea is over..much like a bodypump or attack or any other program that is not Jam.

    The biggest complaint I hear over and over from people is that Jam is too hard...and that is with the basic choreo only...people feel successful with Zumba and come back again and again...people leave Jam feeling very frustrated. The numbers don't lie..at our club, 10-20 people for a Jam class verses 15-35 people in Zumba...

    I wish that the leaders of Jam would take a little hint from the Zumba people and allow more flexibilty in what is taught so instructors can adapt it based on the ability levels of the participants.

    I will agree however, that the experience one has in a Zumba class is only as good as the instructor...One can get a very different workout from one instructor to another

    10-20 people at a Jam class and that's not successful?  Tough standards there.  In my experience I've only seen a few people leave Jam class very frustrated.  More newbies can be overwhelmed, but more of the deer in the headlights look rather than very frustrated.

    When you adapt the lesson for a class...who are you teaching to?  The ones who are struggling?  The ones who are ready for more?  Unless you keep it at the simplest, most basic level, wouldn't Zumba still be a challenge for some people the first time or two?  How do you decide where to pitch the level of the class?  There are times when 1/2 the (Jam) class will be new (1-3 classes) and 1/2 will be experienced (ready to add in the extra complexity....Zumba would be no different....how would you decide what level to teach at?

    There are strengths to either approach of chorey.  Jam actually has single track chorey for about 1/2 the class (warmup, iso, often times track 3, recovery, groove down).  So I like the stacked chorey in the cardio blocks to compliment the individual track chorey.  And based on how others have posted about earlier Jam, they like the single track focus in order to make it more complex, not less.  So even single track chorey wouldn't automatically reduce the difficulty down.

    In our gym Jazzercize is still packing them in, so I'm sure Zumba will continue to be successful where it has taken off.  And, by its nature, is likelier to draw larger crowds.  Here's hoping that Jam stays unique and continues to find an audience, so those who would be very frustrated by a simplier style of class will have something that challenges them.

  •  09-30-2009, 3:44 PM 67540 in reply to 67458

    Re: Jam is being replaced by Zumba!!

    shimarella:

    great post, Giesala. You have nailed why gyms are picking up Zumba and why so many Jam instructors in my area have ditched Jam for Zumba.

    But I will say that the last part of your post is also true, about the cohesion and consistency of a Jam class.  when it works, it really works as evidenced by the instructors who boast packed classes. Alas, not in my area. Zumba is kicking Jam's ass. But I really don't think LMI should change Jam radically to compete with Zumba... some classes just "fit' the needs of certain gyms and their members better.

    For right now, I'm going to stay on autoship so I don't lose my expensive certification. At the very least I get a great new workout every quarter and I will be inspired. And maybe.. I'll get my class back. 

    Yeah funny cus zumba has flopped big time in my area and jam pulls better numbers.

  •  10-01-2009, 6:36 AM 67595 in reply to 67540

    Re: Jam is being replaced by Zumba!!

    Right, which is why there is just no telling.

    There will always be the people who even find Zumba hard or who will not go to certain Instructors' classes because of the mix of styles presented ( mine is more hip-hop, dancehall, bollywood etc than some who would focus on mambo, cumbia, etc). That's the same with any class.

    What you brought up about how to teach to different levels... when I went to the Zumba training, we are not encouraged to talk or coach people through the routines... push play and go. My friend and I ( maybe in part because we are Jammers) tend to break that rule!


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  •  10-12-2009, 2:25 AM 68396 in reply to 67595

    Re: Jam is being replaced by Zumba!!

    u know guys, im from mexico, where all this zumba stuff began earlier than in your countries, and actually here Jam is rarely seen, heck! i didnt even know a thing about the program but just a few months ago and i loved it big time! i feel jam is so much more youth-oriented and fresh, while zumba is more appealing to older audiences (yes, the irony of been in a place where latin music is taught on the core of the common folk for generations), at least in mexico that is, and since the hugest demographic audience around the gym group classes are older ladies here... well u can tell the picture on whats going on on this side of the globe

    in spite of it i think Jam has a huge potencial among young people here, i was thinking on discussing it with the mexican coordinator of the program (which she is argentinian btw) about the posibility of giving Jam on high schools and colleges around the country to get a better aproach to a better potential target, since here young people are the ones which feel a better aproach to the kind of music Jam delivers. Maybe where u are from u could find a place where Jam could be more successful, and so improve your attendances within your classes

    sorry if my english is not perfect, but i hope u can get the point =P

     

    And yeah, i've been practicing zumba for years now, im a newbie on Jam, but im really looking forward to take the module pretty soon i just fell in love for it with mix 50, it's awesome! =D

     

    cheers!

  •  10-29-2009, 2:02 PM 69847 in reply to 68396

    Re: Jam is being replaced by Zumba!!

    what up guys! My first time here, I just recieved a PASS from this weekends training holla!  Anyways I just wanted to chime in. I have been doing /teaching Zumba for almost 3 years and BJam is totally a differnt program!

    The music , the style, the tech, the standards, its all too different! I believe that Zumba is a opening for Jammers to loosen up and get into a "dance" fitness program. But I find Jam to be the better work out as well as more advanced "dance" moves.  I hate to admit it but after seeing how a training session for Jam was compared to a Zumba training I'm a  bit...........disappointed to be a Zumba instructor.  I mean anybody who goes to a Zumba training can leave that day and teach the next no questions asked. Thats why you hear that people don't like so and so class but like this persons.  It all depends on you and thats all you've got.  In Jam there is more of a feeling that you have to really step it up and be the best instructor you can be.  Im in love with Jam and even caught myself talking it up durring my Zumba class oops! lol 

    So in conclusion, I'm a rammbler...... and these two classes are to different for one to take the others place. Specially if the BJam instructor is always giving modifiers/options and the energy you should be.


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