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BajaKat:

Everything comes from the core people! 

 

Who are they then?

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Well, this is quite a thread, eh?

I agree completely with ck1, mrrrocket, and misfit. In everyone's enthusiasm to let this person give the class a go, they're forgetting some key things that could have some dangerous consequences. First and foremost, what makes you qualified to lead a group fitness class with disabled participants? I'm defining 'disabled' in the legal sense, BTW: a condition that prevents someone from performing all normal/usual physical/mental functions and usually refers to a permanent state (blindness, loss of limb function). In the US, we call training disabled clients 'inclusive training.' The ACSM has teamed up with NCAPD to develop curriculum, testing, and credentialing for individuals wanting to physically train disabled participants. It's a lot more involved than simply saying, "Okay, you know what you can do, so go for it."

Lastly, it's not just the safety of the disabled individual, but also your other participants. COMBAT is a highly dynamic, multi-directional class. We regularly have participants with full use of all four limbs who still manage to knock into one another. Throw someone who couldn't get out of the way even if he wanted to into the mix and you've got the potential for a hot mess (not to mention lawsuit) on your hands.

I'm not trying to knock anyone's enthusiasm, but would encourage the pro-crowd to really think before you leap.

Probably it would be best to provide the client with all of the pertinent information and allow her to make her own educated decision.  Several of the posts here reflect the ignorance and assumptions that many people with disabilities strongly dislike.  If there is a safety issue for the other members, surely it can be addressed by having the disabled member in a front corner, out of the way.  I know there are chairs and stereo equipment in our studio that don't get knocked over by members. 

Go to YouTube and search "Cleuton Body Combat" -- I rest my case.

 

Thanks.

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You Tube > Cleuton Body Combat

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PUMPER48:

Go to YouTube and search "Cleuton Body Combat" -- I rest my case.

Thanks.

I wondered whether this would be brought up on here! Simple answer - as inspirational as I'm sure many will find this, it isn't BodyCombat! And wasn't this guy a Combat instructor before losing his legs?

Place someone like this guy in an actual BodyCombat class and ask what would happen when it comes to shuffling, jump kicks and other things... then add another couple of similar people and ask yourself as an instructor how you manage to deal with 2 sets of choreo...

PUMPER48:

Go to YouTube and search "Cleuton Body Combat" -- I rest my case.

 

Thanks.

errm ive seen him teach upperbody in pump. wasnt bc before he lost his legs?

mrrocket:

PUMPER48:

Go to YouTube and search "Cleuton Body Combat" -- I rest my case.

 

Thanks.

errm ive seen him teach upperbody in pump. wasnt bc before he lost his legs?

 

I think you guys refer to it as "team teaching" - no?

Some communities have the ability to pull together as a team, and then others don't have that ability... I guess it depends on how much of a will there is

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PUMPER48:

mrrocket:

PUMPER48:

Go to YouTube and search "Cleuton Body Combat" -- I rest my case.

 

Thanks.

errm ive seen him teach upperbody in pump. wasnt bc before he lost his legs?

 

I think you guys refer to it as "team teaching" - no?

Some communities have the ability to pull together as a team, and then others don't have that ability... I guess it depends on how much of a will there is

i think you a bit a bit stupid tbh. We all think that he is doing a great job so hats off to him but the question was participants doing combat in wheelchairs and how that would not work IMO. It took two-three people to lift him on the stage on one of the clips i viewed and that took a real team effort.

Would you not think he would be inspirational to those of similar abilities if he taught a class that was specific to them that actually aided the disabled participants and not put them at any disadvantage? They would get so much more from the class then surely.

PUMPER48:

You Tube > Cleuton Body Combat

I probably won't be liked for this, but:

That video is a fantastic show of major support for a Body Combat instructor that had a terrible accident with terrible consequences and I applaud it for that, but, it is also proof that you just can't teach an effective Combat class if you are that disabled! The class as a structure is and looks a shambles!

Going back to the OP post about allowing someone in a wheelchair to take part, I for one would not go there! It is a specialist training course to teach disabled people, and I was only talking this over with a instructor that is doing his Level 3 Fitness Instructor course for teaching disabled people and he said he could not allow anyone in a wheelchair to try a class like Combat, and that anyone wheelchair bound asks an instructor to take part, is putting the instructor in a difficult position!

Can you imagine what doctors would say if while trying to execute a hook punch with power the wheelchair tipped over and they cracked their head on the studio floor!, never mind the law suits that would be fired from the family!! You will need more evidence that you looked into this carefully than just "they are true fighters" type comments!

It's very easy to let the heart rule the head in these situations! You may think differently, and if you do, go ahead and act as you decide, but for me, I wouldn't go there!

At the end of the day it would be up to the fitness manager and the club to make the final decision, not the instructor of the class.

khamjo:

Probably it would be best to provide the client with all of the pertinent information and allow her to make her own educated decision.  Several of the posts here reflect the ignorance and assumptions that many people with disabilities strongly dislike.  If there is a safety issue for the other members, surely it can be addressed by having the disabled member in a front corner, out of the way.  I know there are chairs and stereo equipment in our studio that don't get knocked over by members. 

I'm afraid it should work the other way around!

The disabled person should give all the relevant information on their disability to the instructor and the instructor should make the decision if they can take part or not and then run it past his/her manager! If the instructor isn't qualified to make that decision, then it's a big no!

This is an interesting talking point though!

Breaker:

PUMPER48:

You Tube > Cleuton Body Combat

I probably won't be liked for this, but:

That video is a fantastic show of major support for a Body Combat instructor that had a terrible accident with terrible consequences and I applaud it for that, but, it is also proof that you just can't teach an effective Combat class if you are that disabled! The class as a structure is and looks a shambles!

Going back to the OP post about allowing someone in a wheelchair to take part, I for one would not go there! It is a specialist training course to teach disabled people, and I was only talking this over with a instructor that is doing his Level 3 Fitness Instructor course for teaching disabled people and he said he could not allow anyone in a wheelchair to try a class like Combat, and that anyone wheelchair bound asks an instructor to take part, is putting the instructor in a difficult position!

Can you imagine what doctors would say if while trying to execute a hook punch with power the wheelchair tipped over and they cracked their head on the studio floor!, never mind the law suits that would be fired from the family!! You will need more evidence that you looked into this carefully than just "they are true fighters" type comments!

It's very easy to let the heart rule the head in these situations! You may think differently, and if you do, go ahead and act as you decide, but for me, I wouldn't go there!

At the end of the day it would be up to the fitness manager and the club to make the final decision, not the instructor of the class.

100% agree