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Jam not working for you?

Last post 10-31-2009, 6:19 PM by maki. 65 replies.
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  •  10-30-2009, 7:58 AM 69949 in reply to 69940

    Re: Jam not working for you?

    Bexi:
    i was taken by surprise at the amount of "technical" dance moves were actually in the class... and i guess they're trying to entice people to dancing and build the confidence of those who are too daunted to actually go to a proper dancing school...

     

    Yes, I was also surprised when I started my first BJ

    I thought that was one of the most difficult classes.


    Another BP, BA, BC, BJ and RPM freak Quarterlies in Paris, March : 03/12-13-14/2010 http://animoto.com/play/zB4oi9QgG0qnUSWmFPYi3A? On twitter : Tiger75Paris
  •  10-30-2009, 4:43 PM 69981 in reply to 69940

    Re: Jam not working for you?

    Bexi:

     however - if you target only those who can dance you're limiting yourself to a VERY VERY small population... and if you're anything like most dancers (of which i was one) you're not gonna go to a LES MILLS class to dance... you'll go to a ballet (or equivalent) school... i was taken by surprise at the amount of "technical" dance moves were actually in the class... and i guess they're trying to entice people to dancing and build the confidence of those who are too daunted to actually go to a proper dancing school...

    also part of the benefit? (disadvantage...?) of LM classes is that participants are free to come and go as they please, which means they need to have a chorey that people can pick up quite quickly, when i was a dancer come hell or high water you were in classes that you were enrolled in each and every day, each and every week... there's a whole lot more flexibility with a program like JAM so i guess you have to take that into account also... 

    however i agree that they're a bit in limbo... i guess it's all about the options... people seem not to like it as it seems too "dancey" i have a friend who takes every other freaking LM program under the sun (well attack, combat, pump) and i said that i went to jam and she should try it as it's so much fun, and she said "i dont know.... it looks really hard and complicated i've seen it running and i'm no where near coordinated to do that" and i told her it was rubbish and if she had the coordination to do the other classes then she had the coordination to do jam... so it seems already that people are daunted enough by the chorey let alone targeting it at dancers, and frankly if i still wanted to be a dancer i'd still be at a dance school... as far as concerns for numbers... i have no idea... people are already daunted by the complexity of it... and the "dancers" aren't challenged enough... so... well that's LM's problem :P 

    I totally agree with you, Bexi, though I am just a participant who learned how to dance in the past.

    In my opinion, I don't think that what she means by "technical" is "difficult."  That is something having lots of potentials to attract a variety of people. 

     

  •  10-30-2009, 4:58 PM 69985 in reply to 69981

    Re: Jam not working for you?

    and it's awesome that you come to jam now :) and learning to dance in the past is DEFINITELY an advantage! but it's certainly not necessary which i think is one of the strong points of teaching "the masses" to dance :)

     

    what i mean by technical is: dance moves that are actually recognized by "dancers" not just hopping around on the spot like a tool, so you are completely correct, they dont have to be "difficult" but they're fun and really integrate "dancing" in to something that is ultimately a workout :D

     

     


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  •  10-31-2009, 5:34 AM 70028 in reply to 66879

    Re: Jam not working for you?

    I'm a Body Jam participant of many years standing. I've been doing Body Jam since around release 20! LOL. Let's not talk about my age!

    I love the program and think Gandalf is fantastic. Of course, I like some routines better than others but that's cool. The guy just keeps getting better and better. The release that was filmed in Auckland about 2 months ago was probably one of the best releases he's ever done.

    I don't feel the need to do the plus moves much of the time, even though I am an experienced jammer. His base routine has always been enough for me. I like to do the base moves perfectly and with alot of energy that's how I get my workout in. If you look around the class some people are putting 100% energy into every dance move and others are just coasting along. You get out of every jam class what you put into it.  

    For me I like to do the moves properly as safely as possible and some of the plus moves involve too many turns etc so I just don't do them even when they are taught; I will revert back to the base if I think the plus move isn't that great for my knees etc.

    I've done Jam classes all over the world e.g. London, England; Toronto, Canada; Paris, France; Sydney, Australia; Auckland, New Zealand etc. I think the biggest challenge facing Jam is the fact that there are some instructors out there, not so much in Australia or New Zealand where the standards are very high, but in Canada and England who have somehow managed to get certified who can't even dance. I experienced some truly awful instructors in Toronto, Canada and London, England. It was frightening to me that they somehow ever managed to get certified. [I also want to say that I experienced one female instructor in Toronto, Canada who was so good she was equal to G and 4 instructors in London who were also good; it's just that there were some absolute shocker instructors in those cities who quite frankly should not be teaching].  

    Les Mills have to raise the standard that is required to get Les Mills certified in overseas markets and introduce retesting to weed out some of the awful instructors who have somehow managed to get certified.  

    The most important thing is that the instructor is themselves a talented dancer because if you can't dance you shouldn't be teaching jam!  A class will always be inspired by an instructor who is him/herself a talented dancer because they are just inspiring to watch.

    Some people on here have been very critical but having done Body Jam at many gyms in many countries as a participant I know that there are so many people around the globe who love the program just the way it is. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Body Attack and Body Combat are easier, i.e. less complicated moves, and appeal to men as well as women so right away you have double the participants right there. Body Jam outside of New Zealand IMO appeals to mainly women and gay male participants with a couple of straight guys thrown in! The lack of a lot of straight guys doing Body Jam in the overseas markets I've done classes in is what IMO brings the numbers down.

    Unfortunately there is a fairly large proportion of people at gyms who feel that they can't dance and are scared of doing Jam classes and therefore prefer to stick to the simple choreography of Body Attack and Combat classes.

    I think Gandalf should continue on with the winning formula he has always pursued. He will never get the numbers that Body Attack or Combat get globally and he doesn't need to. This is simply due to the reservations many gym members have about their dancing ability. Not everyone has rhythm, some people just can't dance. Body Jam is an alternative to Attack and Combat, appealing to people who like to dance AND get a workout. It does that very well IMO.

  •  10-31-2009, 6:51 AM 70030 in reply to 70028

    Re: Jam not working for you?

    that is very well said julie

    I was lacking of coordination for my classes of BJ but not I'm used to it and thanks to BJ I discover that I love to dance and get fit wit that concept.

    I do think the best release so far is the 50 #

    Can't wait for the 51 # now


    Another BP, BA, BC, BJ and RPM freak Quarterlies in Paris, March : 03/12-13-14/2010 http://animoto.com/play/zB4oi9QgG0qnUSWmFPYi3A? On twitter : Tiger75Paris
  •  10-31-2009, 6:19 PM 70088 in reply to 70028

    Re: Jam not working for you?

    juliew:

    Some people on here have been very critical but having done Body Jam at many gyms in many countries as a participant I know that there are so many people around the globe who love the program just the way it is. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Body Attack and Body Combat are easier, i.e. less complicated moves, and appeal to men as well as women so right away you have double the participants right there. Body Jam outside of New Zealand IMO appeals to mainly women and gay male participants with a couple of straight guys thrown in! The lack of a lot of straight guys doing Body Jam in the overseas markets I've done classes in is what IMO brings the numbers down.

    Unfortunately there is a fairly large proportion of people at gyms who feel that they can't dance and are scared of doing Jam classes and therefore prefer to stick to the simple choreography of Body Attack and Combat classes.

    I sincerely hope that instructors, who are the deliverers of BJ to gym floors, recogize what juliew says, although I have quoted only a short part of it.

    I do not know the situation outside my country, which is the reason why I am here, however, as far as I can see, probably, there are some instructors who have got used to the experience of "right away you have double the participants right there" and try to make it happen in BJ.  Also, some others use BJ to reinforce the popularity of their freestyle programs to keep participants attracted to them and make modification to appeal to some specific participants.

    But I am quite sure that such attempts will not get anything but ...  I guess I don't have to say that, because we all know, and most of all, which have been said in juliew's reply.

     

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