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tiger75: trancendental: ck1- vs HellRazoR:counter-argument tennisAccepting a "agree to disagree" compromise would be reasonable here.For those from different societal and cultural value sets, what offends one may not offend another, and vice versa. Trying to persuade someone to radically alter that value set would be difficult at best and ultimately rather pointless.That is truly wise
trancendental: ck1- vs HellRazoR:counter-argument tennisAccepting a "agree to disagree" compromise would be reasonable here.For those from different societal and cultural value sets, what offends one may not offend another, and vice versa. Trying to persuade someone to radically alter that value set would be difficult at best and ultimately rather pointless.
ck1- vs HellRazoR:counter-argument tennis
counter-argument tennis
Accepting a "agree to disagree" compromise would be reasonable here.
For those from different societal and cultural value sets, what offends one may not offend another, and vice versa. Trying to persuade someone to radically alter that value set would be difficult at best and ultimately rather pointless.
That is truly wise
Well I was just trying to explain that even if a song doesn't offend you, that doesn't mean it's appropriate to be played at a gym in a group exercise environment. If this was the only criteria that mattered, I am willing to bet I could make an entire release that would offend YOU, it's better to not try.
Anyways went to BS / BP again and my back doesn't seem to be worse (I'm skipping back and doing squats / lunges w/o weight). I plan to keep this up and hopefully I'll recover fully.
I'm outta here though, unless Glen or somebody who matters wants to fix the timing errors in BP, I don't have much else to add.
To all the haters / players / or those who befriended me, God Bless you all, stay strong, and don't give Pipera an inch unless he actually changes his ways and comes clean. If you actually want to contact me just send a PM and I'll get a notice via e-mail.
Live strong, HellRazor and Kia Kaha!
François
HellRazoR:Well I was just trying to explain that even if a song doesn't offend you, that doesn't mean it's appropriate to be played at a gym in a group exercise environment.
Well I was just trying to explain that even if a song doesn't offend you, that doesn't mean it's appropriate to be played at a gym in a group exercise environment.
Are you saying this because of the risk it might offend someone else?
I'm not playing devil's advocate, just curious.
trancendental: HellRazoR:Well I was just trying to explain that even if a song doesn't offend you, that doesn't mean it's appropriate to be played at a gym in a group exercise environment.Are you saying this because of the risk it might offend someone else?I'm not playing devil's advocate, just curious.
Yes I am obviously, in my opinion a GX class should have music that is PG at most. It doesn't have to be G rated, but it shouldn't be PG-13 or R rated either. Songs about going to a strip club and getting head, well why would you want this in your workout class?
And, yes music can be rated this way. Look at music games, the only thing they are rated on is the song lyrics, In The Groove for PS2 was censored to remove the words "naked", "boyfriend", "sexy", "sex", "drugs" in order to get a E (e for everyone with "mild lyrics" similar to G). DDR X2 is rated E10+ with "mild lyrics, suggestive themes", DDR Supernova is E10+ with "Alcohol reference, mild lyrics, suggestive themes", and almost all the Guitar Hero games have a T (t for Teen similar to PG-13) due to "lyrics, mild suggestive themes".
Plainly, you can rate song lyrics, and just because you don't mind your class being PG-13 means that everyone in the class agrees. I wouldn't care if all the songs were AO (adult only), but the risk is that someone else would get offended, probably you, so in order to not potentially offend you I wouldn't do such a thing. Similarly Les Mills should be considerate of their participants when choosing songs and stick to a PG rating or less. This isn't much of a limitation since from my experience around 95% of songs are fine.
Like Ke$ha - TiK ToK which I'm sure will make it into a LM class, it has drug/alcohol references and would probably be PG = acceptable. DJ Aligator - Lollipop has blatant sexual references throughout and would probably be PG-13 = not acceptable.
Listen to some songs and tell me if you would like them in your class
Any song by Gunther, any song by E-rotic, Lene Alexandra - My Boobs are OK, Frankee - F.U.R.B., or any number of openly racist songs (lots of gangster rap or skinhead songs). Just because I don't find any of these offensive, and even humorous and I actually enjoy them, doesn't mean you would. And even if you did, we could play them together and laugh but that doesn't mean my wife, our preacher, the elderly couple next door, or my friend from work who I invited to his first ever Body Pump class would enjoy it. So as the audience grows the song selection should be more careful and for a global market like Les Mills International, well I would expect more from them, and you should demand more from them if you are an instructor. You shouldn't be forced to play the Whistle Song "open up, put it in OR blow it like you mean to blow it" to your class.