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My attack classes are almost all female as well.  Even in my Pump classes the ratio is very heavily weighted toward the ladies.  I think some guys tend to want to lift on the gym floor and see the group rooms as the chick gym.  Of course if they wanna meet the cardio girls, where better? lol

-R 

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jvisch:

I want a class where people groan, where people leave early because they are tired, where they rest during the class as their endurance can't take it any more, where instructors cry out "oooh yeah...feel the burn!!". Now that is pushing people.

Well, often self-perceptions don't hold up in the meat grinder of reality. 

We have such a class like you want - an hour of outdoors circuit drills and windsprints with no breaks. It's competitive in the sense that you either keep up or cut across to catch up. Typical class size is 40 with about 8 peeps that actually keep up with the instructor while the rest of us often give up and cut across to catch up with them for the next leg.  Bottom line is this class is too brutal to get you in shape.  You do something else less damaging to the body and mind to get in shape for doing a little better next time.

Body Attack is billed as a class to get you in shape with a short enough recvery time that you can do it three times a week.  I think it probably does a pretty good job of that.  It's not in the BA charter to weed out the wussies.

Rex

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Excuse me... May I motivate you?

Maybe it is easier than you think to be challengeged by Body Attack\Combat\whatever.

 Arrive a the gym 10 minutes before the session starts complete 100 burpees (by the sounds of your fitness that should be okay - it would kill me!) and then go to the class.

 Or if you only have 4 minutes spare:  Perform 8 tabetta sets of burpees and then go to the class.  Again this would kill me if I tried it.

 Go on try it - once at least.  Why not?

In summary we have one guy complaing about Attack.  As a (male) Economics teacher I can explain a few things:

1. All consumers have the right to leave - this is known as consumer sovereignty
2. If enough consumers leave the class then it will be discontinued - this is known as market forces
3. If the complainer has a better idea then they can conduct market research - this is called entrepeneurial skills
4. If not then silence is golden - this is called life

End of lesson.

SteveTaylor:

Maybe it is easier than you think to be challengeged by Body Attack\Combat\whatever.

 Arrive a the gym 10 minutes before the session starts complete 100 burpees (by the sounds of your fitness that should be okay - it would kill me!) and then go to the class.

 Or if you only have 4 minutes spare:  Perform 8 tabetta sets of burpees and then go to the class.  Again this would kill me if I tried it.

 Go on try it - once at least.  Why not?

I already do...the point is it isn't about me, it is about your average male gym member, they ain't challenged hence they don't come. One shouldn't need to exhaust oneself first before one gets a work out from an aerobics class.

What is a Tabetta?

 

 

RexFury:

jvisch:

I want a class where people groan, where people leave early because they are tired, where they rest during the class as their endurance can't take it any more, where instructors cry out "oooh yeah...feel the burn!!". Now that is pushing people.

Well, often self-perceptions don't hold up in the meat grinder of reality. 

We have such a class like you want - an hour of outdoors circuit drills and windsprints with no breaks. It's competitive in the sense that you either keep up or cut across to catch up. Typical class size is 40 with about 8 peeps that actually keep up with the instructor while the rest of us often give up and cut across to catch up with them for the next leg. 

Never heard the term before...pause while I looked up on google... hmmm, great if you want to become a sprinter, does nothing for endurance 

 

RexFury:

Bottom line is this class is too brutal to get you in shape.  You do something else less damaging to the body and mind to get in shape for doing a little better next time.

 

Can't see why it wouldn't get you in shape.

 

RexFury:

Body Attack is billed as a class to get you in shape with a short enough recvery time that you can do it three times a week.  I think it probably does a pretty good job of that.  It's not in the BA charter to weed out the wussies.

Rex

Yes it fits its billing perfectly.

 

 

Sorry, you already do what?  100 burpees in ten minutes and then breezing a Body Attack class?

Tabetta intervals are actually tabata intervals, sorry for my poor spelling.

You can find info here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us&q=tabata+intervals

And you can find answers to any questions that you have here:
http://www.rosstraining.com/forum/

 

Are you saying that in your gym the average male can perform a solid BA class with good technique and maximum effort without feeling like they have had a workout?

Sorry, you already do what?  100 burpees in ten minutes and then breezing a Body Attack class?

Tabetta intervals are actually tabata intervals, sorry for my poor spelling.

You can find info here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us&q=tabata+intervals

And you can find answers to any questions that you have here:
http://www.rosstraining.com/forum/

Are you saying that in your gym the average male can perform a solid BA class with good technique and maximum effort without feeling like they have had a workout?

God!!! Please let this alone everyone!!!!  you are just feeding what he wants.  just let it die!!!!

jvisch:

It is about your average male gym member, they ain't challenged hence they don't come. One shouldn't need to exhaust oneself first before one gets a work out from an aerobics class.

I somewhat agree with visch.  Personally LM aerobics are a bit easy (other than BP which isn't really aerobic and is not as tough as I would like either but that's another story) I prefer higher speeds in my workouts, however BA does seem to be better than the other LM classes when it comes to the song speeds with 150-166 BPM songs, the problem is that 166 still isn't that much, how about a 210 BPM speed drill?  I mean BS goes to 200 and they use a bench, this is all floor and maxes out at 166.

However I did like the music from BA more than any other LM class, I even though that if I would want to teach any of these LM programs BA would be the one since the music was decent.  Best song in BA 61 is "The Question Is, What Is The Question?" is that Scooter in the song?  However then it goes into song 7 "You Can't Stop The Beat (Hairspray Yuck Song)", I've never seen the movie despite my wife owning it and saying she likes this song, it sounds horrible.  If I were in a BA training class I would walk out due to this song, there is no way I would ever put this in my workout class, I would substitute it for anything else.  I would accept a FAIL rather than to put up with this garbage, and thus I could never even consider being a LM instructor.

Oh and when I meant I somewhat agree, sure these LM programs aren't that challenging for me (heck the stuff I usually work out to constantly goes past 500 BPM and sometimes past 1000 BPM, that makes 166 seem very tame) but most men at my local gym are elderly, overweight, or body builders, not many athletic men go to the gym (since you can get better workouts bicycling, running, etc.) and thus these LM programs are perfect since they seem to be geared toward the un-fit population, but men still won't attend for reasons mentioned in this thread with the ego issues.  However I plan to go to a few BA classes to support my wife (I'm leaving after the Miracle song and I'll return in 5:15), should be a breeze other than some part where you're supposed to run in in circles (isn't 160 BPM too slow to run?  I normally run at 170 and that's with a BIG stride, I'm 6'7", running small steps at 160 sounds boring).

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What happens when DDR and Body Step combine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-WzGVIGKNM

Ok, here's the deal: LM classes are as easy as you want them to be. It's up to you, really! BodyPump easy? Add more weight and execute every move with excellent technique and full Range Of Movement. BodyAttack easy? Challenge yourself with increased ROM and, of course, skip the options! I very much doubt you can do all the pushups on toes at full ROM and flawless technique... In my humble opinion BA is waaay too challenging for majority of males. They are just too lazy to stick with it, learn the moves (which in fact are pretty easy), and pace themselves.

If you still think BA and BP are not challenging enough, go to the training and become a licensed LM instructor. You'll definitely feel different after that.

Yeah, I once made the mistake of thinking I was fit......in all fairness I probably was but there's a huge difference between participant fit and instructor fit!

And then there was two!!!  Who fed the Troll after midnight!?!?!?!?!

 Can we just let this go...

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"To see is to be deceived. To hear is to be lied to. To FEEL is to believe" Bruce Lee

Ok I take it back!  He's somewhat "cool"...fellow video gamer and all :]

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"To see is to be deceived. To hear is to be lied to. To FEEL is to believe" Bruce Lee

You probably exagerate with the 'somewhat' comment, I'm a total nerd, heck I only got into fitness when they made it into a videogame.  As for BP, I can't keep up with the pushups at the end of the chest track (killer) my comment was that BP isn't as tough as I would like, and I end up using more weights than normal to compensate (I do another similar weight training class which is usually a bit tougher than BP and I'm used to that).

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What happens when DDR and Body Step combine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-WzGVIGKNM