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I hear after the filmings at the global summit that there is no evasive side kick in BC36.  Now I must confess, I was one of those people who loathed the ESK when it first came in.  I thought it was too hard and risky for the average participant.  HOWEVER after BC33 my opinion completely changed, my class all loved "This ain't a scene" and they all seemed to get the hang of the technique.  So now I'm really disappointed to have no ESK for 3 releases in a row!!  Have Dan & Rach decided to stop doing it, do we know, or are they going to bring it back in future releases?

Meanwhile I am doing "Call me when youre sober" in my current mix (BC35 quarterly not till March) so my lot don't forget how to do it!

Beth x

I have to say, I love doing the ESK, but my participants did not.  So when BC 34 came out, there was a huge sigh of relieft.  They love T4 in 34 with the ginga/jump kick sequence and have asked me to keep doing this track over and over, even when I have switched out of release 34.  I am kinda glad they took it out.  Doesn't do them any good if I can do it and they can't, or choose not to do it.  Just my opinion based on my club.  If I taught somewhere where it was well liked, I would love to continue doing it and excelling in the move.

the success of the ESk was based on one thing,the instructor!! nothing to do with the participants IMO, if the move was executed correctly and coached usinf all the levels then it works. ;ost of the time it was the instructor who could not grasp the move and refused to practice and the easy option would be to just not do it. This then rubs off on participants who then assume it must be rubbish as the instructor doesn't like it. Lets face it most participants turn up for a work out and want to have a good work out and have a good time with lessons delivered with enthusiasm and passion, if you find that balance then participants will give it a go regardless of a ESK or a Reverse flipper flange kick. I blame some winging poms,ha!

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It will come back! They have to have variety and just as they give the Jump Kick a rest from time to time they will with the ESK.

I'm sure we'll see it again. 

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Hello,

Dan said at the Mega quart in London last year that the ESK was a specialist move that will come and go...he isn't going to put it in every release but it will come back. I think it isa  tricky move that takes a lot of practice and I was just getting good at it. I hope it's back soon.

 

Bx

 

I hope they put it back in future releases... With the time, it has become one of my favorite moves (with jumped knees  and jumped kicks, and the ginga...) I can't do it perfectly, but I manage... (I gotta say, Rock Me Amadeus is so far my favorite T4!!)

 Anyways, I'm not going to say more except: Bring back the E-kick!!!!
 

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Well I for one sincerely hope they bring back the ESK, thought it was an awesome move.  

I was told in one of our workshop training sessions that it wasn't going to be in the next few releases, but it hasn't gone anywhere. Which I'm willing to believe since that training session was all about improving the ESK and coaching it well.

Like everything else, programmes need to evolve in order to continue to be successful! The ESK IMO is a superb new move to add to the current variety we have and the truth is that where it's been taught and coached safely and effectively by instructors, it's been very well received.

Whilst we probably don't need every single move in every single release I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing the ESK again in future releases

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Easy mrrocket, saying things like that is liable to get people very angry with you, trust me, i know.

 but i have to say I agree with you, people be angry or not.  I love the esk and hope for more bc i feel it is more demanding than the typical jump kick.  My class, like most im sure, is mostly women, and quite a few have had a hard time increasing thier vertical and having a decent kick.  But bc myself and my wife, (in our humble opinion) can perform the esk well, people have made it a goal to better thier kick, some even training outside of the class in order to jump higher.  WHICH IS SOMETHING EVERY INSTRUCTOR SHOULD DO!  but why kick that up again right?

 but yes, i have a hard time understanding why the ESK and other moves are universally received at some gyms and then hated at others.  I guess thier is something in the water huh?  makes no sense.  there has to be a common denominator  and logic says......

I personally like the ESK I had to learn it for my training on release 31...it was tough launching the ESK for the very first time in our clubs because it was also the first launch of BodyCombat in our clubs.  So people were a little put off because first this was a great new class with this jumping kick it was was way new as most of our existing kickbox type classes were basic kickboxing moves or TurboKick and I think our members were a little shocked and frustrated.  I worked with them before class and after class and during class and they actually like the move and want to learn it we just really needed the participants to be stronger so they could perform it correctly.  BodyCombat launched for the first time in Oct 07 at our club and people love it.  I have to say I have gotten a huge response to 34 because it is simple and the people really feel successful and they LOVE track4 with the ginga jumping kick and downward block.  It is actually simple to them compared to the ESK and they can be successful with it pretty quickly.  I am glad they took a break from the ESK for awhile it's tough on new instructors and even tougher on new members.  My focus is get them stronger for when it does come back and they will be ready!

 On a side note I believe the members will embrace the ESK it if instructor embraces it and performs it correctly.  I know I don't have the best ESK out there but my members think I do :) and it is encouraging to them and it gives them something to work towards.  They really do want to look just like us.  I also take time to work with them and they know I want them to learn it and succeed and so they want to learn and succeed because I am taking the time. 

 

Stay with the Fight!

tamtam 

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I'd love to see the ESK again, cos I started on BC30 at a different gym, but the instructor back then wasn't very good and didn't put very much emphasis on technique, i didn't even know the difference between side kick and roundhouse, let alone what the hell an ESK was!  Gradually my technique got better though, particularly as I started a boxercise class which really helped with the kicks.  My regular gym then got the combat license and launched on BC33 in november, but they didn't play track 4 after the 1st 2 weeks cos people were getting too confused and couldn't do it.  But hopefully if it comes back in a new release people will get the hang of it more now that theyve got used to the other moves and the beat etc...  However, the thing I have noticed about the people at my gym is they don't seem to like to challenge themselves with more tricky moves (most people are about 35/40+ apart from a couple in their 20s) so when the instructor mentions that a particular move may be a bit harder there are quite a few groans from the class.  This then means she won't play them as often, which means no ESK for me A lot of the class also don't like BC34 lights out, but I love the chore in that one!

Rocket, Krafty, on the nail I think. I found the ESK a challenge too but I worked on it on my own and although I won't be a stunt double for any martial arts movies, I am airborne and plenty of participants ask me about my martial arts background (Ummm... that would be none).

Some releases work you hard without you trying and some releases you have to work at creating the intensity because they are power moves that require you to sink low in the legs etc. As far as my thinking goes, if Combat isn't working me hard enough, that's because I'm not working hard enough.

Love the ESK, it really gets my heart rate up, like jump kicks and lunging front kicks, low-impact but lots of power and force. Also love side kicks, front kicks, roundhouse kicks, front knees, jump knees, roundhouse knees, jabs, uppercuts, hooks, ascending elbows, descending elbows, street-brawl punches....

mrrocket:

the success of the ESk was based on one thing,the instructor!! nothing to do with the participants IMO, if the move was executed correctly and coached usinf all the levels then it works. ;ost of the time it was the instructor who could not grasp the move and refused to practice and the easy option would be to just not do it. This then rubs off on participants who then assume it must be rubbish as the instructor doesn't like it. Lets face it most participants turn up for a work out and want to have a good work out and have a good time with lessons delivered with enthusiasm and passion, if you find that balance then participants will give it a go regardless of a ESK or a Reverse flipper flange kick. I blame some winging poms,ha!

I would love to invite you to my club and have you work your "magic" on my team, since it seems like you have all the answers.  Just to let you know, I've taken over for a teacher who has been the only Combat teacher at our gym for 5 years, who was stuck in her ways.  I have practiced the ESK.  I love this move.  Now when I teach it, though, I have over 1/2 the class just stand there and not do anything, no matter how I coach. Even if I show the lower levels.  It is very frustrating.

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Now when I teach it, though, I have over 1/2 the class just stand there and not do anything, no matter how I coach. Even if I show the lower levels.  It is very frustrating.

 

How bizarre! I assume they don't stand and gawp when you do the normal side kick? Without the propulsion (which is the low option) - the ESK is identical to the normal side kick except you step away from the tarhet rather than towards  it - the ginga just helps with the step away and adds rhythm.........surely they should be able to handle the lowest option in those terms? 

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