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  •  03-08-2007, 3:02 PM 3504

    combat vs. turbo kick box

    i did turbo kick box (tkb) for 5 years before moving to the uk and then i started with body combat, which i've done for about 3 years. body combat is a good workout, along the same lines as turbo kick box, but i have to say its not as good as tkb.

    mainly, bc is too fragmented. first, the music isnt consistent. there's a mix of rock, pop, r&b, classical, techno, etc. if most radio stations dont mix formats, why does combat, apart from stretching at the end, where naturally the music might tone down a bit. i mean the latest track goes from the killers, to some awful 80's rock me amadeus track (it was a horrible single then, why it has resurfaced in combat in 2007...)... then billy bloody idol (is he a shareholder in les mills inc. or something??) then onto what sounds like the three tenors at the end. if bc is supposed to be cool and tough and street smart, how about cool hip hop, rap, urban style stuff instead (eg l.l cool j 'mama said knock u out', etc)

     regarding the choreography. it's way, way, way too much of the same movements for too long a time, all the time. there's not enough variation - in other words its not dynamic enough - maybe this suits beginners but it gets so monotomous if youve been doing it for ages. for example, 8 minutes of virtually nothing but mai tai (or whatever its called where you beat up your body by flying up and down raising your knee constantly - is that healthy for the average combatter??). it seems a bit lazily choreographed to be honest.

    one thing i really like in turbo kick box that combat doesnt do is the 2 minutes of anaerobic, super fast 'turbo' moves in the middle of the round. this is normally done 2 or 3 times in a row depending on the level of the class and its great for increasing fitness peaks. combat just sort of moves between bouts of boxercise coupled with tai chi - the breaks are too long for middle of the class. the whole point of classes like these is to get a good aerobic workout, but between the tai chi slow moves, the water breaks between tracks, the instructor fiddling with their non working microphone, the body cools down and its not optimum. by contrast, tkb is non stop apart from a water break after the 'turbo' round and there's no slow exercising until the end.

     finally, in both of the two combat venues i've been to here, it seems the front row of the class is taken up by clumsy 'veterans' lacking natural rhythym who think they own the space and who never get better. some of them dont even follow the instructor, but do their own thing. i think perhaps  thats something the instructors should take control of because when you've got people who dont know what they are doing or purposefully doing their own thing, if you're behind them following them it messes you up, has a domino effect. in my bc class of around 30, there are maybe 3 people with decent form. the rest follow the bad form of the ones at the front and the whole class looks like s**t.

     if bc wants more men in class, add  more punches and cooler, boxing type moves rather than standard aerobic moves (eg mai tai), and keep out girly music as well as the cheerleader barbie doll type instructors who normally teach step or other notoriously female aerobic classes. they dont belong in bc. isnt that the point?

  •  03-08-2007, 3:22 PM 3505 in reply to 3504

    Re: combat vs. turbo kick box

    Well... that's an interesting point of view. 

    I've done other kinds of cardio/martial arts-esque workouts too, not Turbo though. I really like BD because I do leave the class feeling exhilarated from the adrenaline rush especially off the Muay Thai tracks. The intensity/fun factors for me do vary from release to release, and I'm not always fond of Billy Idol but for the most part this has been my favourite "aggro" cardio class. I'm sorry to hear that you don't seem to have had a good experience in your classes, the water break issue can certainly break things up but I believe that varies from club to club. 

    I don't know if BC is trying to recruit more men into the classes or not. I do take issue with two things you said, even though of course they are your opinion. I don't think the music is "girly" ( whatever that means). It's all rock or hardcore techno! As for the kata music, well I don't like Andres Bocelli either, but I don't see how you can cool down to high energy music anyway. 

    And I don't take kindly to your crack at "female aerobics instructors". I've taken class with some fierce female instructors and they can kick butt with the best of them. Women are entitled to fight, too.

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  •  03-08-2007, 4:14 PM 3507 in reply to 3504

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    wow so who got out of bed on the wrong side today?
     
    if you dont like it why go to Combat at all?
     
    i think that you are in a bad mood because turbo kick is not know over in UK.
     
    suggest you buy a Billy Blanks DVD and stay at home and be happy
     
    i used to do Tae Bo which was continuous repeating moves to crappy nonotonous dance music - yes it was hard workout but boring. Since we moved to BC many years ago my fitness levels have improved. i would never go back to Tae Bo. I assume Turbo Kick is similar by the sounds of it.
     
    personally i like the variation of music and choreography that BC gives
     
    muay tai = aerobic moves - are you joking?!?
     
     

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  •  03-08-2007, 4:39 PM 3508 in reply to 3507

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    I tried turbo Kick box and its crap to be fair.
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  •  03-08-2007, 4:59 PM 3509 in reply to 3504

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    I totally agree with what was said before, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you don't like combat, then why have you been doing it for two years? Personally, combat has been an amazing program that has motivated people like me all over the world. The music is fantastic and the choreography and technique just brilliant!
  •  03-08-2007, 7:08 PM 3514 in reply to 3509

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    About those bozos who purposely do their own thing in BC classes - it's very selfish and more importantly, dangerous. I have respect for all types of classes and people are free to join whichever classes ( & gyms for that matter) they want to. But those who like to practice their boxing in tae-kwan-do classes are not welcome and should go elsewhere. I'm not too sure what instructors can do about this, but perhaps going through a 2 min 'clinic' at the beginning of each class (where rouges are suspected) would help and make a mockery of people who do purposely do their own thing.
  •  03-08-2007, 9:35 PM 3518 in reply to 3508

    Re: combat vs. turbo kick box

    Hey be coolCool, I teach Turbo Kick also, and it is really fun . Turbo Kick added Capoeira moves 2 years ago.

    I like the intensity of BodyCOmbat for sure. Turbo Kick though has more groove , as they use The lates  in top music hits!


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  •  03-08-2007, 9:42 PM 3519 in reply to 3504

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    Hey , let's look at the strengths of both styles. I teach both and have a good time with them. The musical choices are different and the "fighting " focus is also different. Let us not forget that the Classes are for the members to have FUN! There is room for everyone, Cardio Kickboxing has to evolve and keep pace. BodyCombat adding capoeirs is long overdue. But now they have made it fun again! I met Dan and Rachel In Chicago and told them they are doing an awesome job in giving us a great variety of music and fighting combos! Competition makes you better!

    By the way, whoever ws trashing Bill"Bloody"Idol....Dude you have got to be kidding. Billy Idol is King!

    I have a Chinese AMrtial art Background , yet I respect all styles of martial arts. We have a common Bond.

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    Ty


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  •  03-08-2007, 11:49 PM 3520 in reply to 3519

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    That's a bit of an agressive post isn't it? I like what I like and no one else can like what they like?

    Radio stations don't mix formats because they may be targeted on a niche group pf people who prefer a certain kind of music. Combat is aimed at a very wide audience who all like different styles of music and you have to take that wide range of tastes into consideration.

    No doubt there is a person somewhere who likes dark Goth Music and would prefer that his combat classes consisted entirely of Street Brawl Downward punches - but if that was all Combat was you would quickly alienate the rest of the participants.

     So you don't like Billy Bloody Idol? That is fine. Lots of other people do.

    Personally I've never heard of Turbo Kick - if I see it I'll give it a go and write a balanced objective view about what I think.


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  •  03-09-2007, 2:09 AM 3522 in reply to 3520

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    Dude. Sorry you're having a bad experience with BC. The program is fantastic as it is! Sounds like you just need to adjust a bit form Turbo Kick. Music variation is all good in my view, you're gonna get different moods and feels with different songs, makes TK sound a bit repetitive and bland. If you think its easy, you ain't doing it right, maybe look at other classes/instructors or your energy and performance before slating it.

    Don't know what these other participants are doing, the instructor should have a word!


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  •  03-09-2007, 1:08 PM 3559 in reply to 3522

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    Now this pains me cause I love whiskey as much as the next gal...but i opt to disagree with most of your points bwhiskey, that is, except for the need for more of the speed turbo moves in BC. We do a lot of speed bags but not much else really in that line well except for fast jabs for a couple of 8 counts every few releases, but more speed moves would be great.

    Realistically, D&R can't please everyone 100% of the time right? Could you suggest some songs and contribute positively to improving the tracklists maybe Barb? I think they do an awesome job myself and i'm sure there's something in the program you enjoy or you wouldn't be teaching it or participating in this forum.

  •  03-09-2007, 3:00 PM 3564 in reply to 3504

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    Hmm interesting point of view!  I am a female BC instructor and I am not a Barbie doll type and don't know any other BC instructors that are!  BC is an inspiring workout that has quite literally changed my life. 

    I have gone from a sedentary, very overweight, unfit person, to an instructor who is also a green belt in kickboxing and all driven by D & R's amazing choreography and awsome moves.  Maybe after three years, if you hate it that much try looking for some other classes to go to as you are obviously not happy.  Good luck in finding something to suit you more.

     


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  •  03-10-2007, 7:52 AM 3619 in reply to 3564

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    Wow interesting, I am always keen to try the immitators or combat but Turbo Kick Box I have never seen in the UK. I have however done most others Tai Bo, Fightklub Aerobox etc, and to be fair none come close to the original and the best.

  •  03-10-2007, 12:55 PM 3632 in reply to 3504

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    I love the workout and the athleticism BC gives me and the members. Simpler combinations that we can really put some power behind! As for members having bad form the only person you have to blame for that is the instructor! I have classes of 35 with all ability levels with amazing form because I coach them through it and use the CRC's to help them get even better. Every class leaves me and my my members exhausted! You get what you put into it! The music is not only motivating but it helps me sink in and feel the moves. For me passion comes in the music... I want to feel it!!

    As for the Tai Chi you referenced they are Katas... They should not be a break. Your whole body should be tensed moving through motion with strong finishes through the moves. With all of my muscles flexing it adds to the fatigue and gets me ready for the next round! The choreography is well thought out and puts us into the training zone. I

    If you don't like BC don't teach it! This program needs and deserves those who believe in it and are passionate about it! We owe to our members to give them nothing but 100%.

    This isn't a put down to you but if you don't love it don't do it! I use that with everything I teach. In fact I am about to drop one of my programs because I don't have the passion it takes for it!
  •  03-10-2007, 6:03 PM 3652 in reply to 3504

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    Sorry you feel the way you do about Combat. I also teach both formats. After doing TKB for several years, I attended BC training. The differences between the programs are HUGE. I think it is a personal choice. Chalene's stuff is dancey, not authentic in any sense of the word, not as challenging in terms of choreography  but the music is jamming. I can learn a TKB release in a couple of hours where it takes me several weeks to nail all of the fine points in Combat. Combat is tough; it's real, it's not for the faint of heart and obviously not for you! Best of luck to you with the "fluffy" programs - they sound more your speed.
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