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I am not trying to dog Turbo kick but really ??????Why even compare the 2. They are totally different.Turbo Kick is like jam with some kicking and punching. And the kicks and punches are not even safe.I have taken TK from 3 different instructors and find that there form is NOT right and if you hit someone with the punch TK teaches you you are going to break or strain something rather then someone.

I may be partical but Combat is a true interval training class and turbo to me is boring and seriously do you want to workout to the same music.I loved that release.  And it is VERY easy to get certified in TK.Come on you don't have to know how to kick punch or DANCE all you have to do is go through a 8 hr cert on that.

I am now in a location that does not have Combat YET and they have TK and I just don't think they need to be compared they are to different.TK is not a cardio Kickboxing it is Jam with a few kicks and punch's. I have taken TK several times and don't like it I can't find one thing I like more than Combatin TK.

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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. ~Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead Never give up!! Never surrender!! ***************************************** If you're not nervous about your passion, you're not passionate about it." -- Bobby Flay On my signal, unleash Hell! - Maximus Just because your muscles start to protest doesn't mean you have to listen. Fear less, hope more; eat less, chew more; whine less, breathe more; talk less, say more; hate less, love more; and all good things are yours. ~Swedish Proverb Every day brings a chance for you to draw in a breath, kick off your shoes, and dance. Oprah Winfrey My philosophy is that not only are you resposible for your life, but doing the best at this moment puts you in the best place for the next moment. Oprah Winfrey ***************************************** I’m proof that great things can happen to ordinary people if they work hard and never give up.” Orel Herhiser *************************************** Practice is everything. This is often misquoted as Practice makes perfect.” *************************************************** Take things as they are. Punch when you have to punch. Kick when you have to kick Bruce Lee **************************************************** As long as I can remember I feel I have had this great creative and spiritual force within me that is greater than faith, greater than ambition, greater than confidence, greater than determination, greater than vision. It is all these combined. My brain becomes magnetized with this dominating force which I hold in my hand. Bruce Lee ****************************************************** You got anger, thats good, you're gonna need it . You got aggression, thats even better, you're gonna need that too. Les Mills classes is about controlling that anger, harnessing that aggression into a team effort to achieve perfection. ****************************************************** Pain pushes us to question everything. So question who it is that you want to be and what kind of life experience you want. ****************************************************** We all have dreams. But in order to make dreams come into reality, it takes an awful lot of determination, dedication, self-discipline, and effort. Jesse Owens ****************************************************** Construct your Determination with Sustained Effort, Controlled Attention, and Concentrated Energy. opportunities never come to those who wait... they are captured by those who dare to attack. Paul J. Meyer ****************************************************** What if at a key moment in the game . . . oops! my bosoms come flyin' out? League of Their Own, A ****************************************************** Shrek, did you crack one? man, you could've warned somebody. I had my mouth open and everything. Shrek ****************************************************** Thanks Krystal When you feel the muscles in your shoulders straining, when your heart is beating two hundred times a minute, when your legs feel like they can't handle one more turn, and when each breath burns your lungs, that's when you know you have to push harder." ~unknown Thanks Alexis--------------------------- "Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strength. When you go through hardship and decide not to surrender, that is strength." - Arnold Schwarzenegger !!

mrrocket:

I tried turbo Kick box and its crap to be fair.

Quote of the thread...

Would love to see the original poster do BC - my guess would be he can't sustain punches with form so he prefers the dancy drivel that you see on you tube as TurboKick...

Dear Barbara,

I just started back in Combat again after 6 +years because when i left the UK to live in Amsterdam there were no Combat classes within reasonable travelling time... I was gutted...Over the past 6 years i've tried, Kick fun, fight Klub, boxercise and tiabo, never heard of the turbo thing though.   I have enjoyed some of the other stuff I've tried but nothing keeps me motivated like combat does.

The  2 things thing that  eventually drive me insane with other progs are the inconsistencies in the workout..sometimes really tough, sometimes crap and the music begins to bore the hell out of me quickly.

Seems like you have either bad experience of Body Combat or it's just not your thing... I am so happy to be teaching it again, I am fitter, stronger and i'm getting technically better all the time.  I just came back from class and girl, I'm wasted!   I find it physically challenging, fun and simple to learn so I can go for it!!

Here's  somthing I picked up from a fellow combatter recently, Charli 1 says...

 I make up my mind on 3 things-

1- r u dying @ the end of every track?
2- r u havin fun with a capital F?
3- r ur class numbers increasing by the bucket?

The club i teach at  introduced combat last October ...class number increased in 6 months from 6-8 per class...to  Body Combat  pulling in 20-35 per class. It's the most pouplar class. Our members love it...so do I ...

Try another instructor..preferably one who has a passion for the class. I think from what you say you've had a bum deal..or it's just not your thing!!!

PS I love the cutesy songs...and believe me I ain't no slacker or a cheer leader type. 

  

So.... I just looked up turbo kick box on YouTube.  In MHO, from what I can see,  it pales next to BC.  Didn't like the choreography, the style, the technique, although music was OK.  But then,  to each his own.....   I'll stick with BC.

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bwhiskey:

mainly, bc is too fragmented. first, the music isnt consistent. there's a mix of rock, pop, r&b, classical, techno, etc. ... then billy bloody idol (is he a shareholder in les mills inc. or something??) 

regarding the choreography. it's way, way, way too much of the same movements for too long a time, all the time. there's not enough variation - in other words its not dynamic enough - maybe this suits beginners but it gets so monotomous if youve been doing it for ages.

finally, in both of the two combat venues i've been to here, it seems the front row of the class is taken up by clumsy 'veterans' lacking natural rhythym who think they own the space and who never get better. some of them dont even follow the instructor, but do their own thing...

if bc wants more men in class, add  more punches and cooler, boxing type moves... and keep out girly music

interesting topic, I'll only quote some extracts.. I think the above parts could be read constructively. I agree in recent BC mixes there's a bit of everything... although there's something for everyone, given the diverse genres there might be tracks that people are not into.. for examples I prefer cool tracks with strong beats such "as now is the time", "bad & sexy", and "behind the cow", while tracks such as billy idol ones, "girlfriend" and "you & your hand" are not my cup of tea.. However I'll still try to get the best out of the workout if these tracks are played because I understand there are people who love this type of songs. I think that would be a lot easier if people can be a bit more open-minded and show some understanding... especially if you are an instructor, your role is to cater the needs of the members... in my humble opinion it's vital to keep the playlist varied instead of repeating same tracks week after week...

regarding the choreography, I agree with the original poster that the variation and complexity have been decreasing in recent releases.. while new members might find it more accessible, on the other hand the loyal & seasoned fighters who attend several classes per week might feel bored by doing only 2 routines in a 4 minutes track... or by getting similar routines in tracks from different releases... over time they might find the class less interesting and less challenging.. and the people who like challenge are the ones that keep comming back... anyhow it has something to do with the direction of the program - does Les Mills want BC to be a fitness class that everyone can do once a week, have some fun and break some sweat alongside with (and / or could be substituted by) other programs, or they want to appeal to the target market by labelling BC as a real, serious & unique workout which wouldn't fade out even if you do it several times a week... as against BA for the ultimate aerobics workout with simple moves, BV for elder people with oldie tunes, and vice versa?

for the comment about veterans, it's imporant to undertstand we are never perfect.. you leave no space for yourself to grow and improve as soon as you think you are good enough. Whether you are instructor or participant, think of the moves and try to execute with precision... think about how you can refine your techniques... and always think / check the chorrey even if you think you know it 100%..

on the gender mentality issue, I think it's the western culture for guys to think fitness classes are not their domain.. and it's difficult to change cultural perceptions.. Asia and Latin America don't seem to have this issue.. as there are good mix in the classes.

my above comments are made without reference to the turbo kick box. I've never done this program but from what I saw on youtube, I'll say no thanks.

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peace :)

seen turbo kick on  you tube - hee hee

MUAHAHAHAHA~  Turbo Kick !! Let's hope Les Mills is not taking combat in that direction

No Guy would dare to do it...

If you're in NZ look for people standing at the back taking notes. They are the ones making the final decisions of how each release is going to turn out. But I think they are more interested watching newbies/first time timers.
There use to be so many complaints about how complex/difficult Combat has become and now we have people complaining it's getting easy.   Some people are just too lazy to learn new moves and combos, It makes their jobs easier I guess..
One thing for sure you can never satisfy "everyone" and choreographers should have more space and freedom to do what they think is right and original. Let them make their own babies once in a while please.

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I told you so ~

Never heard of TBK before now so had a look on youtube and to be fair and in all sincerity its crapp!! looks like something the barbie girls would perform on the beach. It seems such a shame as the music seems spot on.

john

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Ye ive just had a look on youtube and it looks awful!  having looked at their website it says it "combines shadow boxing, kickboxing, sports drills, dancing, yoga, and simple dance moves in a party atmosphere" which i guess is what it looks like in the videos, but i definately prefer combat cos its more...hmmm...fierce.  That turbokick just looks too dancy and sloppy for my liking, combat all the way!!

bwhiskey:

i did turbo kick box (tkb) for 5 years before moving to the uk and then i started with body combat, which i've done for about 3 years. body combat is a good workout, along the same lines as turbo kick box, but i have to say its not as good as tkb.

mainly, bc is too fragmented. first, the music isnt consistent. there's a mix of rock, pop, r&b, classical, techno, etc. if most radio stations dont mix formats, why does combat, apart from stretching at the end, where naturally the music might tone down a bit. i mean the latest track goes from the killers, to some awful 80's rock me amadeus track (it was a horrible single then, why it has resurfaced in combat in 2007...)... then billy bloody idol (is he a shareholder in les mills inc. or something??) then onto what sounds like the three tenors at the end. if bc is supposed to be cool and tough and street smart, how about cool hip hop, rap, urban style stuff instead (eg l.l cool j 'mama said knock u out', etc)

 regarding the choreography. it's way, way, way too much of the same movements for too long a time, all the time. there's not enough variation - in other words its not dynamic enough - maybe this suits beginners but it gets so monotomous if youve been doing it for ages. for example, 8 minutes of virtually nothing but mai tai (or whatever its called where you beat up your body by flying up and down raising your knee constantly - is that healthy for the average combatter??). it seems a bit lazily choreographed to be honest.

one thing i really like in turbo kick box that combat doesnt do is the 2 minutes of anaerobic, super fast 'turbo' moves in the middle of the round. this is normally done 2 or 3 times in a row depending on the level of the class and its great for increasing fitness peaks. combat just sort of moves between bouts of boxercise coupled with tai chi - the breaks are too long for middle of the class. the whole point of classes like these is to get a good aerobic workout, but between the tai chi slow moves, the water breaks between tracks, the instructor fiddling with their non working microphone, the body cools down and its not optimum. by contrast, tkb is non stop apart from a water break after the 'turbo' round and there's no slow exercising until the end.

 finally, in both of the two combat venues i've been to here, it seems the front row of the class is taken up by clumsy 'veterans' lacking natural rhythym who think they own the space and who never get better. some of them dont even follow the instructor, but do their own thing. i think perhaps  thats something the instructors should take control of because when you've got people who dont know what they are doing or purposefully doing their own thing, if you're behind them following them it messes you up, has a domino effect. in my bc class of around 30, there are maybe 3 people with decent form. the rest follow the bad form of the ones at the front and the whole class looks like s**t.

 if bc wants more men in class, add  more punches and cooler, boxing type moves rather than standard aerobic moves (eg mai tai), and keep out girly music as well as the cheerleader barbie doll type instructors who normally teach step or other notoriously female aerobic classes. they dont belong in bc. isnt that the point?

 

Are you an instructor or a participant? Not that it makes a difference, I am just curious.

I AM instructor. I taught TAEBO and TURBOKICK . I now teach BODY COMBAT. Although each program provides an excellent cardio workout, Body Combat is by far the best combination of the Martial Arts. It has Capoiera (sorry for the spelling), Muy Tai, Kickboxing, as well as Kung Fu and Karate. Yes, Body Combat's fragmented, unlike Turbo Kick, doesn't stop and has the 2 min of high anaerobic "Turbo"segment, Body Combat does provide the BPM challenge to really get that heart rate up there.

Turbokick requires an instructor to attend a class, learn a song and present it same day. Pass? Great..you get your cert for 2 yrs and get on the VIP programs where your DVDS are sent every 3-4 months. LMI instructors go through much more serious training, 3 days..and trust me, it's not Barbie Doll stuff.

As a US Army Veteran (Military Police to be exact) and a LMI instructor of 3 programs, I find your comment about female aerobic instructors (the term now is Fitness Instructor thank you) offensive and sexist. The BC classes at DP Gold's are packed with 40+ members and about 45% of those members are men.

I dare you to tell Rach Cohen that her program is Barbie Doll to her face...I double dare ya!

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"regarding the choreography. it's way, way, way too much of the same movements for too long a time, all the time. there's not enough variation - in other words its not dynamic enough "

 

I have taken Turbo Kick and  I have done at least 3 different rounds and the only thing I feel that changes is the music and it is alot of the same music that is in Jam.

 If you feel that Combat is to easy you  are NOT working hard enough!!   I teach Combat,Attack ,Jam,Step,Pump and about to get cert in Flow and yes I am a girl but I have demo on a Navy base to MEN and they call me the devil and have got gym memberships because of me.  I think you may need to go back through training or try  Jam out.You people are only going to work hard if you are working hard and maybe thats your problem.

Turbo kick starts with the same warmup the same Jab cross jab twist combo.Cross jabs you are punching to the corners .REALLY in a fight would you punch to the corners ? And out of 3 instructors I have taken .....They talk about guards being up but up does not mean protecting there chest.   What about back kicks.....come on really the corners of the room are not the place to be kicking on a back kick.A back kick is to knock your opponents knee out and run the other direction.Maybe you should not be looking at Combat a start looking at you Turbo Kick for not being dynamic enough.

Combat is a true interval class that is why there is a recovery and I love the mix in music.

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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. ~Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead Never give up!! Never surrender!! ***************************************** If you're not nervous about your passion, you're not passionate about it." -- Bobby Flay On my signal, unleash Hell! - Maximus Just because your muscles start to protest doesn't mean you have to listen. Fear less, hope more; eat less, chew more; whine less, breathe more; talk less, say more; hate less, love more; and all good things are yours. ~Swedish Proverb Every day brings a chance for you to draw in a breath, kick off your shoes, and dance. Oprah Winfrey My philosophy is that not only are you resposible for your life, but doing the best at this moment puts you in the best place for the next moment. Oprah Winfrey ***************************************** I’m proof that great things can happen to ordinary people if they work hard and never give up.” Orel Herhiser *************************************** Practice is everything. This is often misquoted as Practice makes perfect.” *************************************************** Take things as they are. Punch when you have to punch. Kick when you have to kick Bruce Lee **************************************************** As long as I can remember I feel I have had this great creative and spiritual force within me that is greater than faith, greater than ambition, greater than confidence, greater than determination, greater than vision. It is all these combined. My brain becomes magnetized with this dominating force which I hold in my hand. Bruce Lee ****************************************************** You got anger, thats good, you're gonna need it . You got aggression, thats even better, you're gonna need that too. Les Mills classes is about controlling that anger, harnessing that aggression into a team effort to achieve perfection. ****************************************************** Pain pushes us to question everything. So question who it is that you want to be and what kind of life experience you want. ****************************************************** We all have dreams. But in order to make dreams come into reality, it takes an awful lot of determination, dedication, self-discipline, and effort. Jesse Owens ****************************************************** Construct your Determination with Sustained Effort, Controlled Attention, and Concentrated Energy. opportunities never come to those who wait... they are captured by those who dare to attack. Paul J. Meyer ****************************************************** What if at a key moment in the game . . . oops! my bosoms come flyin' out? League of Their Own, A ****************************************************** Shrek, did you crack one? man, you could've warned somebody. I had my mouth open and everything. Shrek ****************************************************** Thanks Krystal When you feel the muscles in your shoulders straining, when your heart is beating two hundred times a minute, when your legs feel like they can't handle one more turn, and when each breath burns your lungs, that's when you know you have to push harder." ~unknown Thanks Alexis--------------------------- "Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strength. When you go through hardship and decide not to surrender, that is strength." - Arnold Schwarzenegger !!

You are on a Les Mills web-site trashing Combat.  I think that is rather brave.  And the fact you took the time to write a 6 paragraph rant is quite interesting that you would waste so much time on something that you do not like.  I agree with above post.  Go find a TBK class and leave us alone.

cookiepie:

You are on a Les Mills web-site trashing Combat.  I think that is rather brave.  And the fact you took the time to write a 6 paragraph rant is quite interesting that you would waste so much time on something that you do not like.  I agree with above post.  Go find a TBK class and leave us alone.

 

Amen!!

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My wife was cert.  in TK for a bit.  so I have seen the best doing this class in thier videos.  we brought it in after BC to add something different to the gyms offerings.  it bombed.    and with good reason. 

it is my not so humble opinion that TK is crap compared to BC.  I dont want to be mean and shortsided, but its really really bad.  If you want soemthing authentic, aggressive and 'errrrr!' then never step into a TK class.  But if you want something like a califonria valley girl dressed up in cute camo, then 'like, this is so for you!'

I remember one combo had you punching to the sky.  Such as jab, jab, diagonal punch up......  insane!  i wont even go into the random a-- roundhouse kicks.  can you say left field?

 ill admit the turbo zones are a neat idea, and ive heard she works with snoop sometims on our remixes (see im TRYING to see both sides) but there is just no conviction in the class.  and if you do want to keep guys out of class, then bring that to your gym.  it is the classic sterotypical girls only fitness class.

so all TK'rsoput there...... Like, lets so punch harder! and be awsome, yeah! (sarcasm)

Errr where'd the original poster go???  Turbo Kick Shmurbo Kick...great stuff this youtube business