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  •  09-18-2009, 4:42 AM 66766 in reply to 66756

    Re: BodyJam not working for you?.

    I gave bodyjam a try a few years ago, but I had a hard time remembering all the moves once you put them all together so I'd get frustrated and it wasn't fun anymore...

    I started with BJ42 and I was able to do the first half but the second half forget about it, especially with those taps to the side and to the front.

    The last time I tried it was the release with voodoo people... haven't been back since.

  •  09-18-2009, 5:13 AM 66770 in reply to 66766

    Re: BodyJam not working for you?.

    I think its safe to say that we arent going to see anything major difference in the next few releases as clearly it takes a few releases for them to get different feedback, 51 we know for example is going to have big blocks again, different cheorry like comparing 49 house and 50 house for example for same style (i.e house) since 51 has been filmed i doubt 52 or even 53 will have many changes either since they're in current working progress.
    We are all a family people - no need for anyone to get all high and mighty which i sense - Its a form open to everyones opinions, no right or wrong, I think its great that we can see how everyone feels on this matter because in retrospect we are reflecting now just what we would like to see but also our participants!! It is after all, all about them yes?
     

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  •  09-18-2009, 5:41 AM 66772 in reply to 66770

    Re: BodyJam not working for you?.

    I don't think any of these posts have been "high and mighty"...

     In comparison to how heated some of the other threads get I think this has been quite a friendly discussion...

     You're echoing my point about feedback we give now not being incorporated until release 54...

    Nobody has said there is anything inherently wrong with the program...

    I wouldn't post anything on here that wasn't supported by feedback from my participants... 

  •  09-18-2009, 6:16 AM 66778 in reply to 66478

    Re: Jam not working for you?

    appoligies the high and mighty comment was not intended to come across that way - i agree this convo has been quiet friendly in comparision to some, i guess what i meant to say is for it not to turn out a sour one like others - just noticed in some comments that people are um quiet defensive ? about jam as it stands right now - where this is a more express your thoughts and opinions and those of your participants type of tread (correct me if i am wrong)

    =) 


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  •  09-18-2009, 11:07 AM 66797 in reply to 66736

    Re: BodyJam not working for you?.

    mrrocket:
    ErinC:

    Shorter blocks, like 1 song each? 2 songs? A lot of blocks nowadayas are about three songs long (15 minutes or so) and I think it's the perfect length. One block I use from time to time is the Latin block from release 37. It's two songs long, about 7 or 8 minutes,and it just feels so short! It's over before you even begin.

    I wouldn't like lots of really short blocks very much. I like building up a good-sized chunk of choreography. I think it's more fun!

     

    Erin its good that Jam is working for you and i am glad that its gone from strength to strength but you seem to be in the minority.

    ...and considering the feedback (apart from erin) seems to be the same there is an obvious problem huh?

    I'm in the minority on this thread for sure, because this thread is geared to ward discussing the peceived flaws and weaknesses of the program - just like the ol' "I hate it when LMI reuses tracks" thread is jam-packed with people who hate reused tracks, making it seem like the majority of people hate it when in reality there are probably a few million or so people who couldn't give a rat's behind whtehr they reuse tracks or not. You know how it is - we humans are quick to complain about things that aren't working, but when things ARE working, we don't say anything...

     

     

     


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  •  09-18-2009, 11:22 AM 66799 in reply to 66797

    Re: BodyJam not working for you?.

    I definitely agree that the REALLY long blocks can be boring (not always though - I think Bonus Jazz Rock from 37 is absolute perfection fun form start to finish, despite being realllllllly long!). My peeps love Dancehall from 35, but we all get so bored when we repeat the full dance sequence over and over and over again at the very end. That block could probably end 2 songs earlier than it does and we'd still get the gist of it.

    And mucho agreement on Ring The Alarm - such a shame because otherwise I quite like that block. Excessive amount of holding patterns can be annoying - like the clapping sequence that we do in 'Everybody Everybody' (whatever release # that was). I do like step-touch/step tap holding patterns in smallish doses, because it's a good opportunity to pull back, connect with the class, get them focused and clapping and riled up for the impending Breakout... 

    However I feel like the last few releases haven't been so long, droning and repeptitive? Like, we're talking about release 35, 36, 37, 41, 42... but this problem has already been addresed in the more current releases, don't you think? Nowadays, we only go through the full routine maybe 4 or 5 times (or thereabouts), and the buildup to Breakout seems to be pretty efficient with just the right amount of step-taps in between to really enjoy the music and get it into your bones... Right? I probably just have rose-coloured glasses on again...

     


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  •  09-19-2009, 6:57 AM 66835 in reply to 66799

    Re: BodyJam is for people who are passionate about dance....!!!

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    and I am one of them :) I don't waste time for conversation full of complains like this one before. But I make exception this time... Body Jam is not a program directed to everybody.... People who are coming to your class have to love dance!!! and WE are there to help them and SHOW what is dance about...right?  I'm not sure after reading and being part of this forum you can come to the studio and do super class. Actually I'm quite surprised and disappointed when I read:..." This track is to long and boring and this release is not so challenging like others, my class sometimes is to small or sometimes to BIG.." I'M REALLY SORRY GUYS if  I missed more your negative comments, you are quite good in this one, but I'm bored reading this staff... It is always easy to blame everybody around for something what we want, but we can not achieve....I love my grandmum she has a lot of life experience behind, but you seriously remind me her behavior. The people waiting in the class for someone who change their  mood, day. They want to see passion in your eyes and I'm pretty sure they don't want to see someone who is doing body jam to fill in space in timetable.

     

    Have a nice day and don't forget enjoy your class next time...

  •  09-19-2009, 9:10 AM 66839 in reply to 66799

    Re: BodyJam not working for you?.

    Just for statistics purposes then:

    I agree with ErinC all the way Stick out tongue

  •  09-19-2009, 7:08 PM 66845 in reply to 66839

    Re: BodyJam not working for you?.

    And I agree with Rose all the way (and Erin too).

    Not so much of a minority now Wink 


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  •  09-19-2009, 7:13 PM 66846 in reply to 66845

    Re: BodyJam not working for you?.

    Add in my agreement with Erin also.
  •  09-20-2009, 2:19 PM 66867 in reply to 66846

    Re: BodyJam not working for you?.

    Let me post my comments from a participant point of view, who keeps on enjoying BJ 3 times a week for 3 years and agrees with ErinC on her earlier remark as follows:

    "Boy, once you start to know the choreography, you can really dance a lot harder and get your heart rate up." Exactly! I think G has found a winning combination for people who want to dance their butts off *and* want to get their heart rates up - even if it is just by accident.

     

    In latest releases such as BJ48, 49 and 50, I did not think the repetition of choreography was tedious as some instructors say, rather, I totally admired G as the lesson goes. He proposes slightly different moves for a SAME-LOOK choreography by introducing different musics and remixes.

    For example, on the first lessons for BJ48 and 49, I would almost puke, because of the intensity of exercises created by the repetitions and long tracks.  But a few lessons later, I stopped following the instructors' instructions and moves, and found out how to use the momentum and inertial force of my own moves and influence of gravity.  In addition, as different musics present slightly different timings of moves, sometimes I could add moves of bodyparts which instructors did not mention. It worked on me, and I did not feel tired at all, despite the amount of sweat.  I totally enjoyed the "repetition" parts.

    Some instructors may think that this is because I am a "dancer" participant, but it is not relevant.  (I also disagree to such a classification of participants, but I do no comment on this point in order to keep focus.)

    In another old thread in this forum, I posted my concern regarding instructor's discretion.  That was because our instructors started to modify the choreographies really obviouslly from BJ48, which would have been a solution to circumvent the original repetition that our low quality instrucotors just thought too long.

    For example in 48, after the "It's show time!" vocal, a same set of moves repeat.  Then, our instructors split the class in two and told us to do the moves alternately.  I thought that it was terrible, and not to mention, an anauthorised modification.  I did the original.  I was the only one on that day, but later some other participants seemed to do the original.  Then, the instructor stopped doing that.

    Such solution only occurs in Japan, because instructors do not care about copyrights and licence contracts.  My POINT is that the choreography by G is really genious and we do not have to worry about future releases.  Rather, we should take time to understand the point of choreography, as it is just fun for participants.

     

     

     

     

  •  09-20-2009, 5:34 PM 66872 in reply to 66835

    Re: BodyJam is for people who are passionate about dance....!!!

    richardt:

    and I am one of them :) I don't waste time for conversation full of complains like this one before. But I make exception this time... Body Jam is not a program directed to everybody.... People who are coming to your class have to love dance!!! and WE are there to help them and SHOW what is dance about...right?  I'm not sure after reading and being part of this forum you can come to the studio and do super class. Actually I'm quite surprised and disappointed when I read:..." This track is to long and boring and this release is not so challenging like others, my class sometimes is to small or sometimes to BIG.." I'M REALLY SORRY GUYS if  I missed more your negative comments, you are quite good in this one, but I'm bored reading this staff... It is always easy to blame everybody around for something what we want, but we can not achieve....I love my grandmum she has a lot of life experience behind, but you seriously remind me her behavior. The people waiting in the class for someone who change their  mood, day. They want to see passion in your eyes and I'm pretty sure they don't want to see someone who is doing body jam to fill in space in timetable.

     

    Have a nice day and don't forget enjoy your class next time...

    what a knobhead! Perhaps you could ask your grandmother to pass on some of those life experiences to you then you would not come on this forum and post such crap!

    It has been a good discussion by all until this post and i wondered how long it would take before jamfrog popped up from the crevasse of G's backside!

    When are you lot going to understand that this is not a personal attack on either G or Jam so why turn it into a personal 'us against them' thing?

    We all love jam and we are all on the front line teaching it every week and want the best for the programme and the above post is offensive to every other instructor who spends time trying to sell ths programme to participants so please go and and spend some time with your grandmother.

    So for those who want to discuss this please lets keep it as honest as we can.

    OK back on topic:

    Now Ive been thinking about all of the issues we have been discussing and im really unsure that the problems have anything to do with the complexity levels of BJ but simply the length of the blocks in order to keep it interesting, i really think this is wear the problem lies IMO?

     

  •  09-20-2009, 6:09 PM 66873 in reply to 66872

    Re: Jam not working for you?

    I think mrrocket could leave the comment he just quote, because none of us would be influenced by that.  We all know that he has posted this thread based on his sincere attitude towords BJ.

    For me, as a participant, the length of the blocks are something I defenately need to enjoy the choreography.  In earlier releases, tracks were too short (especially in latin) so that I could not fully enjoy the moves I made.  I was just following the instructions at that time, and that was all I could do then.

    I think that one reason why G made some tracks longer with several musics was to present us chances to see how our own moves would nicely effect each other.  One move just triggers the next move, where I do not have to use full of my strength to do the choreography.  There, all I have to do is to listen to the music.  Without the current length, I would not have reached the moves I make now.

  •  09-20-2009, 8:05 PM 66874 in reply to 66873

    Re: Jam not working for you?

    So are you saying that releases in their 30s - early 40s before jam became lengthy in blocks you didnt like?? My experience with some of my mature jammers (by that i mean people who have been doing jam since it was introduced into the gyms , meanining some of them have been jamming since release 29!) Prefer the older releases because they were more "dancy"
    whilst i understand this is a form for everyone to express their opionions please STATE them as YOUR opinions and not something that would apply to all.

    For example In My situation some of the classes i teach after launching the new stuff they request for me to go back to the older releases as they personally find it more challenging - physically and mentally to do - for them it leaves a massive adrealin rush.
    Whilst i enjoy the new releases without a doubt and love launching them with every ounce of excitment - i have to say the comment about please go and enjoy your classes was slightly offenisive - I as am sure others put alot of effort in making a jam class special so that it is different from running on a treadmill with music on - I dont see what the point in learning cheorry and turning up would really be if we didnt enjoy them soo you might want to be carefull what you post next time!!!

     and i have to point out Rocket has a point .  WHY are people turning this around - putting their own twist to it and saying that this forum is like an attack on jam or the great mastermind behind this all??? no offense kinda seems just silly. People are just expressing things that them and their classes would like to see or their thoughts - can we not just accept it and if disagree do so but not in an attacking manner to anyone. . .


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  •  09-20-2009, 10:27 PM 66879 in reply to 66874

    Re: Jam not working for you?

    vive-a-licous:

    So are you saying that releases in their 30s - early 40s before jam became lengthy in blocks you didnt like?? My experience with some of my mature jammers ... (skip)

    ... (skip the middle)

    i have to say the comment about please go and enjoy your classes was slightly offenisive - I as am sure others put alot of effort in making a jam class special so that it is different from running on a treadmill with music on - I dont see what the point in learning cheorry and turning up would really be if we didnt enjoy them soo you might want to be carefull what you post next time!!!

     

    Are you addressed to me by saying "you"?  I am not the person who posted what you felt offensive...  Your post seems to be a reply to mine who is a participant.  However, I just ignored the offensive post and expressed my view as a partisipant again in my last post, which is I need the current length of tracks having different musics.

    Maybe my presense here is not welcomed, and I am sorry, if I misunderstood you, vive-a-licous, but we should really skip this discussion.  What mrrocket wants to receive is not likely the kind of possible replies to your last post, as we can see from his last post.  I also am sorry, mrrocket.

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