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How to avoid back problems during chest tracks?

Last post 11-05-2009, 3:31 AM by fitgirl1. 81 replies.
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  •  10-29-2009, 10:52 AM 69830 in reply to 69788

    Re: How to avoid back problems during chest tracks?

    That is from Bryce as I asked him a question regarding ab crunches (only) I never once mentioned Hovers or any other form of abs training in the response.


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  •  10-29-2009, 4:33 PM 69867 in reply to 69830

    Re: How to avoid back problems during chest tracks?

    well DO NOT twist such quotes and make them totally misleading. You said that that was his response to track 9, which is not true at all. You now admit that the advice is specifically only applicable for crunches (which is what I suggested).

    This is what makes your advice and anything you post on these forums, and on any website or basically anything you say...........very dangerous information.

     


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  •  11-03-2009, 1:32 PM 70315 in reply to 69432

    Re: How to avoid back problems during chest tracks?

    In the assessment manual there is no mentioning of the placement of the feet. What it says is: "maintain neutral spine avoiding excessive arching of the back". No further explanation. My very old, 1998, BP manual gives the option of lifting the feet, knees are over the hips, donot cross your feet. No further explanation. As we all know LM goes for safety when working out. "Safe" , in working out terms, is a "closed kinetic chain", ie feet on the floor. Once you lift your feet, you shorten your iliopsoas and lengthen your erector spinae. This releaves tension in the lower back, ie the part between lower rib and the crista iliaca. BUT this can also cause flexion of the spine in the lumbar area when incorrectly using your abd. and upper back  muscles. Lying on a step is not a "normal" position, because your but is higher then your feet, this means you have to work harder with your abs and upper back to keep your spine in neutral. People with weak abs, long, and strong, short, back muscles WANT to lift there feet or put their heels on the step, because this position gives them a feeling of lying in a "normal" supine position. My step is not higher than one brick, allthough I am strong and know exactly how to work my muscles to keep my spine in "neutral". These arguments are based on my knowledge and experience as a cert. STOTT PILATES instructor. I wish I could spill my knowledge in my own language .... !  LM does not want you to follow them blindly, they want you to THINK, LEARN and use your COMMON SENSE !  I therefore always after class ask why and than look at the posture of a participant when this person lifts the feet. My generaI cue always is feet on the floor because this engages the abs etc. more ! And done correctly makes the muscles stronger. Thanks for reading and trying to understand .... 

     

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  •  11-03-2009, 4:04 PM 70324 in reply to 70315

    Re: How to avoid back problems during chest tracks?

    annelies simply wonderful :)

    The best thing I have read here since 2007 :)

    Cheers!


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  •  11-04-2009, 8:08 AM 70377 in reply to 70315

    Re: How to avoid back problems during chest tracks?

    annelies:

    My very old, 1998, BP manual gives the option of lifting the feet, knees are over the hips, donot cross your feet. No further explanation. 

    As has already been mentioned, this is outdated advice which has been revised by LMI. Lifting your feet is no longer a valid option.


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  •  11-05-2009, 1:53 AM 70429 in reply to 70377

    Re: How to avoid back problems during chest tracks?

    Mel, you are absolutely right. I will try to get the most recent manual and will post what is said.

    The one thing that I miss is the explanation why in both the old- and the assessment manual. Hope to find it in the latest. Funny though that it used to be an option!

    Have a nice day everyone .....

  •  11-05-2009, 3:31 AM 70442 in reply to 70429

    Re: How to avoid back problems during chest tracks?

    Hi Annelies,

    It has been confirmed by those with newer manuals that page 36 states "feet on the floor".

    Check RPMFreak who responded to my request for a newer manual update.

     

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