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rob_in_london:

Dude, you don't know what your talking about at all.  

Is anyone else seeing the irony in that statement?

Anway, I'm off to slowly beat myself to death with my laptop again as I'm soooooo sick of hearing about how playing a game will get you in the beat in pump (and all the rude words that were going to be in that post have been removed).

 Rob, enjoy your week-end

rob_in_london:

Dude, you don't know what your talking about at all.  

Is anyone else seeing the irony in that statement?

Anway, I'm off to slowly beat myself to death with my laptop again as I'm soooooo sick of hearing about how playing a game will get you in the beat in pump (and all the rude words that were going to be in that post have been removed).

Irony?  I don't pretend to be a know it all, sorry if your ego is hurt because you think you do know it all; I feel sorry for your laptop.

Playing the game forces you to follow beats, in fact in the last month my son finally started playing (age 6), he now loves the game as well and won't ever let me play without him anymore.  He makes me sick because he picks the same song over and OVER AND OVER to get a better score, for instance I've heard the "Cha Cha Slide" so many times and his other favorite "Girls and Boys and Toys"- Mochipet feat. Jahcoozi good song but not after the 10th time in a row.  But he is able to hit all the arrows on-beat consistently, he's had over a 300 combo once, but even if there isn't an arrow he steps to the beat of the song, so a 6 year old has learned how to keep the beat of a song through Dance Game.  So yes you will learn to keep the beat (maybe you should give it a shot).

www dot youtube dot com / user / hellrazor35#p/a/u/2/DEa4M0BawJ0  how much more proof do you need BP is taught off-beat?

HellRazoR:

I didn't even know a conductor was tasked with keeping beats, I have no idea if I could do that, I don't even know if I can beatmap an orchestra (do they follow rhythms?).  

I think that just about sums up the extent of your musical knowledge and ability...

ck1-:

HellRazoR:

I didn't even know a conductor was tasked with keeping beats, I have no idea if I could do that, I don't even know if I can beatmap an orchestra (do they follow rhythms?).  

I think that just about sums up the extent of your musical knowledge and ability...

Well there is some truth to that, other than this states my lack of knowledge, not sure about ability, I haven't ever tried a symphony.  But you miss out on the fact I've precisely synched over 7000 songs over the past 8 years of many different genres and styles, and I haven't found a single song I couldn't follow.  Or that in my first BP class I was really annoyed that the moves were off-beat (yup the emperor was and is still naked).  But this isn't about me at all, just my point that you can learn to keep beats from playing FFR.

In fact one great thing is my son now loves playing my dance game with me, he doesn't let me play alone anymore.  He's 6 years old and can hit beats, for instance if there are no arrows on the screen he will step to the beat anyways, he can hit all the arrows on a song, and he's managed over a 300 combo so far (300 steps without being off-beat), and he's just 6.  But if you want to blindly believe only the great ones can see the linens, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon, well I can't force you to see the truth, but my suggestion still stands play FFR to learn to keep a beat (perhaps you should give it a shot before bashing something you know nothing about).

HellRazoR:

In fact one great thing is my son now loves playing my dance game with me, he doesn't let me play alone anymore.  He's 6 years old and can hit beats, for instance if there are no arrows on the screen he will step to the beat anyways, he can hit all the arrows on a song, and he's managed over a 300 combo so far (300 steps without being off-beat), and he's just 6.  But if you want to blindly believe only the great ones can see the linens, and everyone jumps on the bandwagon, well I can't force you to see the truth, but my suggestion still stands play FFR to learn to keep a beat (perhaps you should give it a shot before bashing something you know nothing about).

FFR? DDR? I've played DDR - can't honestly say that it hooks me enough to want to average mapping 2 songs+ per day for 8 years!

However, I DO have formal music qualifications and a formal Exercise to Music qualification... and if you wish to continue spouting facts - well, the simple fact is that all of the TLAs in the world don't make you able to move to the beat in a fitness class  from the evidence I've seen from you so far!

ck1-:

However, I DO have formal music qualifications and a formal Exercise to Music qualification... and if you wish to continue spouting facts - well, the simple fact is that all of the TLAs in the world don't make you able to move to the beat in a fitness class  from the evidence I've seen from you so far!

LOL! Not to get personal or anything.......  ROFLMAO!

From what I've read here about what motivates diehard BC junkies, the beat will be the first thing to get lost in a street brawl.  I mean how freaking important is it to beat the crap out of some imaginary opponent strictly to the beat of the music?

Now in BJ, where the music has often been modified to support the chorey, exactly how natural is the rhythm? I stay on the beat of each measure, but in between what moves my parts may or may not be the beat.

Rex 

RexFury:

From what I've read here about what motivates diehard BC junkies, the beat will be the first thing to get lost in a street brawl.  I mean how freaking important is it to beat the crap out of some imaginary opponent strictly to the beat of the music?

Now in BJ, where the music has often been modified to support the chorey, exactly how natural is the rhythm? I stay on the beat of each measure, but in between what moves my parts may or may not be the beat.

Rex 

LOL at equating BC to a street brawl, LOLOLOL!!!  I'd pay to see that.

Anyways CK1, explain the timing of the instructor in the two HellRazoR vs. BodyPump videos where I showed a beatmap to songs that I didn't even choose, they were chosen by forum requests, they show instructors beginning moves two beats early, finishing moves and standing still.  I showed as plainly as I could the errors in BP timing (since just explaining it was obviously insufficient).  The videos are proof that BP is off-beat, however BC, BS, BJ, etc. are on-beat and playing FFR will help you stay on-beat.

HellRazoR:

RexFury:

From what I've read here about what motivates diehard BC junkies, the beat will be the first thing to get lost in a street brawl.  I mean how freaking important is it to beat the crap out of some imaginary opponent strictly to the beat of the music?

Now in BJ, where the music has often been modified to support the chorey, exactly how natural is the rhythm? I stay on the beat of each measure, but in between what moves my parts may or may not be the beat.

Rex 

LOL at equating BC to a street brawl, LOLOLOL!!!  I'd pay to see that.

Anyways CK1, explain the timing of the instructor in the two HellRazoR vs. BodyPump videos where I showed a beatmap to songs that I didn't even choose, they were chosen by forum requests, they show instructors beginning moves two beats early, finishing moves and standing still.  I showed as plainly as I could the errors in BP timing (since just explaining it was obviously insufficient).  The videos are proof that BP is off-beat, however BC, BS, BJ, etc. are on-beat and playing FFR will help you stay on-beat.

BP off beat and bc and BJ on it? hmmm...mate you really need to do your etm!

mrrocket:

BP off beat and bc and BJ on it? hmmm...mate you really need to do your etm!

I've said all along only BP is off-beat.  In fact of all the years I've done aerobics, other than the occasional goof, or one or two instructors that don't get it, BP is the only class that is consitently off-beat no matter who is teaching.

ETM, Education Through Music?  Is this a prerequisite to becomming a GX instructor?  In your mind is this the only way someone can learn to keep the beat of music?  Do the program directors even have the type of music education you think is needed to keep a simple beat?

I think your just trying to discredit me since you have no facts to back you up, whereas I do and your arguments are only going to be in vain (just because the majority used to believe the earth was flat, well the facts prove truth without considering opinion).  Plus I have a wife with a degree in music education and is a vocal teacher, she also teaches GX classes.  If she ever loses her timing (it happens to her) she always follows me to get back on-beat, cuz she knows I'm a beat freak.

HellRazoR:

, explain the timing of the instructor in the two HellRazoR vs. BodyPump videos where I showed a beatmap to songs that I didn't even choose, they were chosen by forum requests, they show instructors beginning moves two beats early, finishing moves and standing still.  I showed as plainly as I could the errors in BP timing (since just explaining it was obviously insufficient).  The videos are proof that BP is off-beat, however BC, BS, BJ, etc. are on-beat and playing FFR will help you stay on-beat.

What's the point? You're not prepared to listen, you somehow went away convinced that you'd proved everyone wrong (and better still that you'd "won" your argument) and frankly, I can't be @r5ed to keep discussing it!

ck1-:

What's the point? You're not prepared to listen, you somehow went away convinced that you'd proved everyone wrong (and better still that you'd "won" your argument) and frankly, I can't be @r5ed to keep discussing it!

Not true, I would listen to a proper explination.  Both of the videos had NO comments.  I don't say I won, BP is still off-beat and Glen doesn't care, most people don't care, I would have liked for the problem to have been fixed personally.  And I didn't somehow go away, I stated I was leaving, left contact information in case anyone wanted to continue the discussion.

Anyways all I wanted to say is that playing FFR will teach you how to keep a beat, I didn't intend to hijack this thread or debate anything. 

HellRazoR,

When you mean off beat, do you mean "they are not keeping proper  time with the music"or are you referring to the fact that they may be doing something "syncopated"? There are many types of rythms in the world, and your little game is only one of them. You cannot compare what is basically a computer game, to a Les Mills fitness program.

I have been dancing since I was 4, and I'm MUCH older now, and I've never had trouble with rythm, or staying in time with the music. Unless it's a bad instructor, BodyPump is just fine.

For some mad reason, I clicked on your link.That aint no proof of anything other than the fact that ... man, yo gotta get a life.... seriously.

PUMPER48:

HellRazoR,

When you mean off beat, do you mean "they are not keeping proper  time with the music"or are you referring to the fact that they may be doing something "syncopated"? There are many types of rythms in the world, and your little game is only one of them. You cannot compare what is basically a computer game, to a Les Mills fitness program.

I have been dancing since I was 4, and I'm MUCH older now, and I've never had trouble with rythm, or staying in time with the music. Unless it's a bad instructor, BodyPump is just fine.

For some mad reason, I clicked on your link.That aint no proof of anything other than the fact that ... man, yo gotta get a life.... seriously.

Hey Pumper,

I'm talking about BP being off-beat by 1-2 entire beats, nothing to do with sycopation, although I love when moves follow the music this way.  I just did a BS class Friday and the party song was So Fabulous So Fierce, I was disappointed that the moves didn't go to the music during those two fun sections (when you only hear the dun....dun....dun....dun dun dun....dun....dun....dun dun dun dun dun  aaaaahhhh Freak Out!) I really didn't want to create the videos but the debate was going nowhere slowly, I was so annoyed after a whole year that I made the videos.

What you need to do with the video is pause it on the 16 or 32 counts when the moves are supposed to be finishing, what you will notice is that the presenter will have already begun the next move and is probably two beats into that move already.  Or pause it when the instructor begins / finishes a move to try to understand the timing she/he is following (hint: there is no logic to it).  The only explination I can think of is that the weights are to heavy and the instructor rushes to remove load.  2/2's are bad, 3/1's are bad, singles aren't rushed but begin to early, 4/4's are bad.  The on-beat instructor in BP is the exception not the norm from my experiences.

If you wish to continue this there is a thread (do threads expire?) here with like 10-20 pages of posts.  Oh and from the expo's I know dancers and musicians can keep a beat (especially drummers), they can jump on the dance pads and do fairly well on their first try, where it took me ALOT longer.  I'm not discrediting anyone's timing other than all the BP instructors (LOL).

PUMPER48:

No, thank you. Statement stands.... get a life.

We going till they kick us out or the police shut us down police shut us down po-po shut us down 

Don't stop, make it rock, DJ blow my speakers up, tonight I'm gonna fight till we see the sunlight

TikTok on the clock but the party don't stop

On topic, tonight there was a song that had off-beat arrows, they were fairly late, my son hit the arrows on-beat such that his score was really bad (he hit the arrows on the proper beat, even though the arrows were late).  I thought it was neat, it means he really is nailing the beats of the songs, even if his score suffers.  Don't worry though, I fixed the song so it's on-beat now.  Oh and I made that video because Misfit made a video with a rough beat counter that was set to the instructors to make it seem like they were on-beat and trying to say I was off-beat.  Seems like A LOT of people have a hard time keeping the beat and following only a 4-count structure, but even though the majority of instructors / participants are off-beat, I am not.