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Split Stance Questionable?

Last post 03-05-2009, 1:53 PM by LHR_Tim. 11 replies.
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  •  03-02-2007, 12:53 AM 2977

    Split Stance Questionable?

    Hi, Can anyone tell me the physiological reasoning behind using the split stance in Body Pump. Surely we are trying to keep a neutral spine position which requires symmetry through our base of support. By taking a leg back has to disengage our hamstrings on one leg which in turn will disengage our glutes, then our erector spinae on one side of our lower back. This in turn will imbalances throughout our lower back creating a weakened core stability.

    How can this be a good thing for participants?

  •  03-02-2007, 11:08 PM 3049 in reply to 2977

    Re: Split Stance Questionable?

    The Split Stance is an option you can do it or not. In Biceps for example we do this to stop fatigue. Setting up the position you need to make sure that the participants back leg is in the right position. When this is achieved then you won't compromise the erectors.

    You can change legs - left/right then go back to single stance etc……


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  •  03-03-2007, 1:49 PM 3075 in reply to 2977

    Re: Split Stance Questionable?

    Hi briggy,

    As a BodyPump participant, I can name at least three big reasons I like and use the split stance in Bicep Track:

    1.  I'm more stable.

    2.  Less tendency to lean back when bar reaches the top thereby avoiding an impulse shock to the lower back.

    3.  Much less tendency to "hump" the bar up with my hips during the last few reps of the track.

    4.  It reduces monotony to switch legs and even walk step by step around the bench.  And that lets everybody see my guns!

    Rex


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  •  03-11-2007, 9:53 AM 3683 in reply to 3049

    Re: Split Stance Questionable?

    pipera:

    The Split Stance is an option you can do it or not. In Biceps for example we do this to stop fatigue. Setting up the position you need to make sure that the participants back leg is in the right position. When this is achieved then you won't compromise the erectors.

    You can change legs - left/right then go back to single stance etc……

     It's not an option in the shoulder track... we use it for stability. It also encourages participants to maintain good posture...

  •  03-11-2007, 4:05 PM 3697 in reply to 3683

    Re: Split Stance Questionable?

    I think they were talking about track 6.
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  •  03-12-2007, 3:52 AM 3733 in reply to 3697

    Re: Split Stance Questionable?

    Actually there was no reference to any particular track...............only speaking about split stance in general.

    I agree with Kevin, there is no option in the shoulder track.

    In biceps you alternate between set position and split stance..........most of these are actually choreographed.


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  •  03-12-2007, 4:09 AM 3734 in reply to 2977

    Re: Split Stance Questionable?

    Split stance is used to vary activation of the core stabilisers and reduce onset of fatigue by being in just one position. It challenges us to stabilise the pelvis / hips and trunk in different ways, particularly in the bicep track. It is important however that you balance out the `split` and ensure you change which foot is forward to maintain balance in muscle activation between left and right sides. The stance is reletavely short with more weight on the front leg and a definite knee bend in that front leg to activate the deep core stabilisers which help maintain the trunk in a rigid position to isolate the biceps during the curl movement and reduce any momentum / throwing of the bar!

    We ALWAYS promote a split stance in the shoulder track for the overhead work as it is a stronger position to reduce hyperextension in the lumbar spine. Our core stabilisers are at their most fatigued by this point in the class! normal `set` stance, whillst being stable in terms of equal activation left & right, allows a greater degree of hyperextension. As our deltoids tire, the bodys natural tendency is to `lean back` (hyperextend) in an attempt to engage the upper chest mussels to assist in driving the bar up. This puts excessive pressure into the lower back as well as detracting from maintainig the load in the deltoids which are the targeted muscle group for the track! In this particular case, the split stance described above, with more weight on the front foot enables us to `lean` slightly into the work, keeping the load in the deltoids and reduces the amount of hyperextention possible in comparrison to normal `set`, thus we reduce the risk of injury / destabilisation of the pelvis and increase the chances of maintaining the load in the deltoids.

    its very easy to check: stand in `set` position, push a bar overhead as in shoulder press and notice how much you can hyperextend the lower back (also the pelvis will anteriorly tilt!!!)! now do the same with a short split stance, with more weight in the front leg and a definate fixed knee bend... you cannot hyperextend as much (and the pelvis remains stable)!!!

    With regard to this split stance, a common mistake is to stand too long and put the back heel on the floor! this will actually cause the trunk to lean backwards (and pelvis to rotate)! Always keep the back foot just behind the front heel ensuring the back heel stays raised up of the floor (back foot on tip-toe) with about 70% bodyweight on front leg.

    Hope this helps... happy, safe & effective pumpin

     

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  •  03-12-2007, 5:22 AM 3739 in reply to 3734

    Re: Split Stance Questionable?

    Wow, Shaun!  Great post!

    After reading what you said about the bicep track split stance, I immediately stood up and tried to check my stance and specifically the amount of break in my front knee.  Yep!  It's almost as if you are stepping into the bar.  It feels aggressive rather than casual.

    I'm just a member at my location but I really "sell" BodyPump at every opportunity as a safe, supervised weight program.  I was sold I when I saw the attention it gives to safe position and technique which is epitomized in the shoulder track where otherwise the common mistake you mention would be way too common. It IS too common in the weight machine area where I see arched backs galore on the overhead press machines.

    Rex

     


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  •  03-12-2007, 7:20 PM 3775 in reply to 3739

    Re: Split Stance Questionable?

    Shaun,

    Agreeing with Rex, great post!  I use a lot of the same terminalogy wiht my particpants (although in shorter spurts) during class.  They truly appreciate knowing "why."

    cbc

  •  03-13-2007, 6:21 AM 3806 in reply to 3775

    Re: Split Stance Questionable?

    thanks Shaun! Awesome explanation!

    I've been using most of that in my classes, and it's really reassuring to know that I'm getting it right.

    I've picked up a couple more "why's" from you though, so that's given me a little bit more ammo for my classes ;-)

    By the way, I don't think the manual (or was it on the DVD?) makes it 100% on using split stance in the shoulder track. I remember wondering about this........I continued teaching it as per split stance, but somewhere it mentions split or set as "options". Just highlighting this as an inconsistancy, cuz it's confusing sometimes!


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  •  03-03-2009, 4:01 PM 53368 in reply to 2977

    Re: Split Stance Questionable?

     

    Hi Briggy,

     Interesting post. Taking the leg back does not disengage the hammers as there is a bend at the knee. Hamstrings prime action is to flex the knee and extend the hip. ;-)

     
    Taken the leg back does not disengage your glutes as you mention in your post. The glutes prime action is hip extension, so bringing the leg back absolutely activates the glutes! ;-)

    Regarding the erector spinae muscle group. they unilaterally flex vertebral column to one side and bilaterally extenend the VC. So not sure how the split stance can affect this muscle group.

     Do some more research based on my post here Briggy. I would be very keen to re-assure everyone involved in BP that the split stance is very safe and Les Mills has done extensive research based on science to ensure its safe. I am sure you could get a copy of their findings if you ask.

     

    Best Regards

    Michael
     

  •  03-05-2009, 1:53 PM 53525 in reply to 3806

    Re: Split Stance Questionable?

    misfit:

    thanks Shaun! Awesome explanation!

    I've been using most of that in my classes, and it's really reassuring to know that I'm getting it right.

    I've picked up a couple more "why's" from you though, so that's given me a little bit more ammo for my classes ;-)

    By the way, I don't think the manual (or was it on the DVD?) makes it 100% on using split stance in the shoulder track. I remember wondering about this........I continued teaching it as per split stance, but somewhere it mentions split or set as "options". Just highlighting this as an inconsistancy, cuz it's confusing sometimes!

     Hey, Mel.  

    Just happen to have my manual out (filming next week and was checking some stuff out anyway).

    For shoulder press, first thing under Setup is:  Set Position - Split stance. 

    With a photo of Susan's (?) feet just as Shaun describes.

    Just did my module in January and it was driven into us that if you take the bar over head, you split your stance (well other than C&P).

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