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Compliments and a little rant..

Last post 05-11-2009, 3:32 AM by pipera. 6 replies.
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  •  05-08-2009, 5:46 PM 57960

    Compliments and a little rant..

    First of all I want to start by congratulating Glen and the pump team on continually trying to innovate on what must be a very difficult program to create innovation on. Being as fixed as BP is, it is good to see little changes in certain tracks to shake up the chore a bit. In particular the abs/core tracks from the last 10 releases have been really good (bar a couple of strange ones). It must be tough to create a program that SOOOO many people teach and do your best to keep them happy. Also the resources, DVD and notes are phenomenal, I really feel like I get my $50 worth so keep up the good work! There is no other GRoup X program in the world that has such amazing instructor resources...

    My little rant is about music. Not knowing anything about getting licenses for music I could be off track. I am an avid music lover though and enjoy many different styles of music both for personal listening and for my classes. What continually surprises me is the use of the same type of music release after release... With all the different styles of dance, rock and pop music available, do we really have to always have E-Type, Pink and Christina Aguilera??? I know Pink is on the charts at the moment and very popular but there are other artists as well! I think a lot of us have suggested songs on BLAH and on the LM website but still it seems to be same same... E-Type in particular seems to be reappearing all the time.. There is SOOO much dance music coming out of Europe that could make fantastic back tracks! There are some unbelievably good freestyle step and cycle mixes from european companies, and they sell all around the world.. Can't we have some of that style for BP?

    Second tiny rant about music is the continual chopping up of the songs to fit the chore. BP 70 has a total of 6!!!! songs chopped up.. What's that all about? Never used to happen..  An interesting note: Lisa O was giving an education at the latest quarterly here in Sydney and she said: "I never try to find music to fit choreography, I always find the music first, and choreograph the track second".

    Seems like the opposite is happening in pump...

  •  05-09-2009, 2:26 PM 57991 in reply to 57960

    Re: Compliments and a little rant..

    Hey Ryan.

     Good post!  

     Personally, I like E-Type (but I suppose I like trashy, cheasy, Swedish pop).  To me and E-Type track is a classic back track.  But that's my personal taste.  Yes, there is a lot out there and I'm sure it's a mine field negociating the licenses.  Hence why we see so much of certain artists.  Then again, that's not always back (i.e. Scooter :-) )

    With regards to the breaks in the music, I'm afraid that's down to the Kiwi's music laws.  We've been whinging about this in Combat for ages!  It seems LM can't always remix songs. So in the past, they could remix the song to fit the choreography they wanted.  Now they've got to make the choreography fit the music. 

    For instance, in the current Combat (39), in the upper body warm up, we do 8x Upper cuts and 8x Hooks in the first half, but then only four in the second.  In the past, they'd have the song tweaked to even it out, but I suppose that is no more.  Plus I think they have to have the big gaps in between the parts (i.e. the big pause in the lunges in BP 69).  

    Personally, what is irking me at the moment is reusing the songs, within the same release cycle across severl programs.  Such as "So What" (Combat/Pump).  "All I Ever Wanted" (Pump/Attack)

    It's bad enough when a song from one program is in another program next time around, but this is just silly.

     

  •  05-10-2009, 12:29 AM 58011 in reply to 57991

    Re: Compliments and a little rant..

    There are a number of artists / mixes I can suggest that are time friendly for the release. Love e-type though.

     


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  •  05-10-2009, 10:27 AM 58024 in reply to 57960

    Re: Compliments and a little rant..

    My understanding:

    justcallmeryan:

    With all the different styles of dance, rock and pop music available, do we really have to always have E-Type, Pink and Christina Aguilera??? I know Pink is on the charts at the moment and very popular but there are other artists as well!

    I could be wrong, but here's how I think this might work - they pay licensing that somehow applies to the artist or album rather than the one song. Which is why we get so much Pink (all of the one album) in a few releases, then it goes away. They've paid their money and want to use all they can, in the time that the license is valid for. Which is also why there's the re-use across programs. I don't know if this is true, it's just what I suspect based on what I've seen.

     

    justcallmeryan:

    Second tiny rant about music is the continual chopping up of the songs to fit the chore. BP 70 has a total of 6!!!! songs chopped up.. What's that all about? Never used to happen..  An interesting note: Lisa O was giving an education at the latest quarterly here in Sydney and she said: "I never try to find music to fit choreography, I always find the music first, and choreograph the track second".

    Seems like the opposite is happening in pump...

    The chopping up is happening because of licensing laws. They can't remix the songs like they used to (so you didn't notice.)

    But I gotta point out the obvious ... you have to make the music fit the choreo a little, or you'd do an awful lot of one-leg lunge tracks Wink Given that even looping the song is really changing it to fit the music.

    They do pick the song and choreograph around it, but there's some work that's gotta be done to ensure you actually get the length you need for the track, etc. That's just a reality.

    But for the record, I also haven't seen BP70 so I'm not sure what it sounds like.


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  •  05-10-2009, 8:40 PM 58053 in reply to 58024

    Re: Compliments and a little rant..

    Michela002:

    My understanding:

    justcallmeryan:

    Second tiny rant about music is the continual chopping up of the songs to fit the chore. BP 70 has a total of 6!!!! songs chopped up.. What's that all about? Never used to happen..  An interesting note: Lisa O was giving an education at the latest quarterly here in Sydney and she said: "I never try to find music to fit choreography, I always find the music first, and choreograph the track second".

    Seems like the opposite is happening in pump...

    The chopping up is happening because of licensing laws. They can't remix the songs like they used to (so you didn't notice.)

    But I gotta point out the obvious ... you have to make the music fit the choreo a little, or you'd do an awful lot of one-leg lunge tracks Wink Given that even looping the song is really changing it to fit the music.

    They do pick the song and choreograph around it, but there's some work that's gotta be done to ensure you actually get the length you need for the track, etc. That's just a reality.

    I also don't know much about the above, which is why I posted this, BUT a lot of the older songs (40s, 50s) weren't necessarily remixed, but they certainly weren't chopped! I can completely understand why you might do it in a lunge track, cause you have the exact same workout done twice. But as I said before, in BP 70 6 out of 10 tracks are chopped!

    And if you think about it, my uneducated guess would be that it's HARDER to find music for programmes like Attack that move faster.. 

    Anyway, it's not like I'm going to stop teaching or anything I still love it. Just thought I'd share my 2 cents..

  •  05-10-2009, 9:18 PM 58055 in reply to 58053

    Re: Compliments and a little rant..

    justcallmeryan:

    I also don't know much about the above, which is why I posted this, BUT a lot of the older songs (40s, 50s) weren't necessarily remixed, but they certainly weren't chopped!

    Yeah, I think the laws have actually changed. I know, we didn't see it much in the old stuff huh?

    I'm curious to see how BP70 sounds now. But we won't get our stuff for another month.


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  •  05-11-2009, 3:32 AM 58084 in reply to 58055

    Re: Compliments and a little rant..

    If they have a short track then why can't they use two short songs (in a single exercise) much like we do in Bodybalance. That would get rid off the shorter tracks.

    Track 1 (one song) - (finish with a fused song) to make a track 1.

    All they have to do is use the mixes, not the single version. Tons of music out there today within the time variation.

    The 40's and 30's were mixed to a degree. They had DJ Decks and Dean Steer etc.. who knew how to mix. The tracks were longer back then. There was a debate in 2000 about using trance music in Bodypump. Trance tracks are generally longer, modern pop not so.

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